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L'année dernière le sujet a été abordés par @AlexisFR@jlai.lu et je souhaite relancé l'idée de dé-fédérer de cette instance.

Je navigue depuis quelque temps sans bloquer la moindre instances question de simuler un peu l'expérience de quelqu'un qui rejoint le fediverse via l'instance jlai.lu.

Les posts qui apparaissent dans le fil et le comportement de la plupart des usagers de cette instance pollue tout simplement l'expérience Lemmy.

Même sans parler de possible liens avec CCP, Kremlin etc... je pense que, à mon humble avis, leur comportement et leur façons de brigader et de diffamer une opinion qui ne diverge que d'à peine d'un poil de leur courant de penser, va sincèrement à l'encontre de l'état d'esprit de notre communauté sur cette instance.

Je me suis opposé sans vraiment me prononcer l'année dernière à une dé-fédération (étant donné qu'ils ne sont pas francophone et que j'aime bien le drama inter-instances de temps temps) mais leurs prises de positions en permanence ahurissantes et (en pesant mes mots au maximum) d'une flagrante dissonance cognitive je dois dire que trop c'est trop.

Je pense sincèrement que malgré le fait nos intéractions soit assez minimes avec cette instance je pense que sur le long terme leur influence est nocive et que, dans l'idée de garder une certaines sérénité pour les personnes et futures personnes qui utiliseront cette instance, qu'il y ai une dé-fédération de cette instance de la notre.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago (38 children)

The linked post is ableist, it uses the word MAGA---- as a derogatory term, and there are conspiracy theories about CPC connection, as well as general anticommunism, which is linked to fascism historically (I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds).

The comment accused the user of fascism, not necessarily the instance.

[–] Camus@jlai.lu 11 points 4 months ago (16 children)

Hello,

Thank you for commenting here.
The linked post is there for context, no decision was made at the time, we remained federated with hexbear. We are going to ask the author of that post to edit it.

For OP, not sure if things got lost in translation, but their point was that "Even without talking about possible links with CCP, Kremlin etc… I think that, in my humble opinion, their behavior and their ways of brigading and defaming an opinion that diverges only slightly from their current of thought, sincerely goes against the state of mind of our community on this instance."

So the CPC theories are irrelevant, as OP is strictly referring about brigading

Not sure why this deserves to be qualified as fascist.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

That adds clarification. My understanding is that interaction between this instance and Hexbear is limited to begin with due to the French language barrier, ergo brigading doesn't make sense as a defederation reason, but this isn't my instance. I do have a Hexbear account, so obviously I am pro-Hexbear.

Not sure why this deserves to be qualified as fascist.

Fascism and anticommunism are twins, I recommend checking out the book I linked.

[–] anansi@jlai.lu 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Fascism and anticommunism are twins, I recommend checking out the book I linked.

It's been a while that I've read it but iirc that's not what is described in the book due to the difference in intent.

Anticommunism is born from the ruling/fascist adjacent class to misled less politicized people by manufacturing false consciousness. While anticommunism materialistically helps capitalism and fascism, this is not the intent of the anticommunists, while it is the overt goal of the fascists.

A dumbass being anticommunist because of gaslighting is fundamentally different from someone being an actual fascist. The former will still be able to change his mind, the latter won't because it's usually coming from it's material interest.

Saying they are twins is not only a misleading, but it also hides the different mechanisms between anticommunism and fascism.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

Fascism is Capitalism in decay. As Capitalism decays, Communist sentiment rises, and Capitalism employs its defensive mechanism, fascism, against it. The largest sources of anticommunism come from the same place as fascism, they aren't the same, but they are twins. That's my point.

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