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Why do people on reddit seem to hate Lemmy/Mbin/other federated link aggregators? (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by Yingwu@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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I was just reading this post https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1gmv76n/is_reddit_going_to_remain_the_primary_space_for/ and many barely see the fediverse as an alternative and they seem to have a negative bias towards it. Super ironic when it comes to the self-hosting community. Yes, some instances are problematic, yes, some devs might have had problematic views. But it doesn't really matter when it's federated and FOSS. I think it's clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit. Why is there such a negative bias?

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[-] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

But you are trying to make something bad look good. Mao is a bad person. He is a mass murder, an authoritarian. Good things can and should be achieved without mass murder.

Their opposition to NATO expansion is just another facet of their support for genocidal imperialism because they know that being in NATO makes it much less likely that russians will invade. The "US greater evil" is all BS. If they truely believed that they would move to russia or china. But they don't, they LARP as communists while stuffing their mouths with Big Macs and playing US-developed video games (in which they try to role play their imperialist fantasies).

For example, looking at the upvotes on this comment from Lemmygrad’s world news, it’s clear that they feel sympathy for Ukraine. There are individuals, like this commenter, who suggest bombing Ukraine, but the comment is downvoted.

Really, this is best you could find? You're really grasping at straws here. How is this a proxy war? Russian literally invaded my country. This is a russian genocidal invasion. If the Americans forced everyone in a hypothetically annexed Basra to eat tex-mex pork chops and banned Arabic and sent anyone caught speaking it to torture camps, you wouldn't call it genocidal imperialism? Just war, right?

I asked you some clear and direct questions and you come up with BS? Do you even believe what you are writing or are you just essentially shitposting?

We both know they actively support and cheer on the russian invasion. In an explicit and genuine manner. They want russia to be successful in its invasion of Ukraine. They want Ukrainian speakers in the occupied territories to be sent to torture camps. It is not difficult to say the russians were wrong to invade and it is wrong to commit atrocities and torture people (instead of just blaming Ukraine for mobilization).

Why should I not hate them for this? Why shouldn't I want them to meet the same fate as the “Donbas Cowboy”, Russell Bentley? Just imagine what was going through his mind in his last moments - must have a been a true moment of clarity. I want them to achieve that same that same level of clarity.

Can you explain this to me? You keep ignoring this point.

[-] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

But you are trying to make something bad look good. Mao is a bad person.

No, you implied that if someone likes Mao, then they support killing. And I said that it's not the case - Marxists like him because of the good things he did and condemn the murders.

Really, this is best you could find?

You said that they wish Ukrainians death. I said that I doubt it and provided messages that prove my point. You made up their statements and are arguing against them.

Consider this thread as an example. Read what they actually say. You blame only Russia, they think NATO plays important role as well. But no normal person wants the war, that's what I trying to say.

you wouldn’t call it genocidal imperialism? Just war, right?

If the violence is the primary goal, then it's called genocide.

I also doubt that Russia banned the Ukrainian language or sent people to torture camps for speaking it. Could you provide a source for this?

Why shouldn’t I want them to meet the same fate... Can you explain this to me? You keep ignoring this point.

I answered a few messages above. I doubt that the devs wish harm to Ukraine or people in general. And even if they did, you would be no better than them 🤷

[-] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Of course, they support the killing. If they didn't, they wouldn't glorify Mao; a mass murders and an authoritarian scumbag.

Yes, they do wish Ukrainians death. They support the russian invasion and the russian occupation. The instance is rife with cheering for the russian army.

The NATO stuff is a ruse. Just a way to cover their support for genocidal imperialism. Ukraine was neutral ... wait for it ... before the russians invaded.

That thread is a cesspool of support russian genocidal imperialim.

Communists want the war to end and blame NATO for provoking and prolonging it.

This basically means we want russia to win to conduct more atrocities likes in Bucha. Just wild uncontrolled killing of civilians, rape and destruction. And Bucha is just one example that got in the news. There are mass graves in Izyum. Russians targeting civilians with drones in Kherson. Russians bombing a children's cancer hospital with cruise missile.

But no, NATO made them do it! And not a word about russian atrocities.

I also doubt that Russia banned the Ukrainian language or sent people to torture camps for speaking it. Could you provide a source for this?

You do know how to use web search, right? You're just going to say some non-sequitur about NATO and bla bla bla or that it's all made up.

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-prisons-civilians-torture-detainees-88b4abf2efbf383272eed9378be13c72

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/05/europe/ukrainian-civilians-detained-russian-prisons-intl-cmd/index.html

https://khpg.org/en/1608814097

I answered a few messages above. I doubt that the devs wish harm to Ukraine or people in general. And even if they did, you would be no better than them 🤷

That's not what I asked though.

We both agree that lemmygrad actively support the russian invasion of Ukraine. They cheer on the invasion and call for russian military success? Is this not true?

I asked you why I shouldn't hate them for it? Nothing to do with being no better them or whatever. I asked why I shouldn't hate people who support the invasion of my country and wish me harm?

[-] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Of course, they support the killing.

Let's see what they actually say.

Yes, they do wish Ukrainians death.

This basically means we want russia to win to conduct more atrocities likes in Bucha.

Well, I’m not sure how you’re interpreting this from the link I provided. You just making up their statements. I don’t want to have to cite their comments every time just to provide a counter-claim.

You’re just going to say some non-sequitur about NATO

AP is a credible source, and there’s no doubt that Russian forces have harmed civilians. However, the claim that all Ukrainians who speak their language are imprisoned is questionable. For instance, Chechen is an official language in Russia despite two wars with Russia. Additionally, Russia provides citizenship to all Ukrainians, why would they imprison people for their native language? The article you referenced cites Radio Svoboda, which has ties to the CIA, so it's not a reliable source.

I asked you why I shouldn’t hate them for it?

I think my answer is correct. You’re accusing them of supporting murder, yet you wish harm upon them yourself. If you prefer analogies, it's like condemning murder while being guilty of it yourself.

[-] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I told you would downplay russian atrocities and come up with some CIA word salad. You've never been to Ukraine, you don't speak Ukrainian and you dare lecture me and tell me that russian invasion is not that bad?

Get fucked, you vile tankie! I hope the very atrocities you deny will catch up to you one day!