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Glad to see they arent going along with the bullshit of "all russians are evil and deserve to die" that is recently going around. The russian people is under dictator oppression and deserves just as much support as any other people in the same situation.

[-] froh42@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

No, not all Russians are evil and deserve to die. But closing your eyes and playing oblivious to what's happening out there, just believing the state propaganda and living in a position "oh it's just the bad leader" is not a morally OK position.

If there is a dictator in your country you have some moral duty to find out at least a bit about the truth.

How do I know?

I'm German.

My grandparent's generation was the one that actively closed their eyes, that actively looked away, that everything that happend was someone else's problem. They were the Generation that arranged themselves, that did good business as long as it wasn't them that were deported, killed or fought at in the war.

This is not a position that is morally OK, but this is what I see of a lot of Russians. Not all, but a lot.

[-] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I like how you just conveniently ignore the part about a dictator oppression.

The key word here is oppression.

A country that is closing its eyes and deserves what they're going to get is the US. In 20 or 30 years when the US is an authoritarian oppressive State then at that point the people don't have a choice, just like they don't in Russia today.

Authoritarian oppressive states don't just let the people think what they want to think. You are groomed and indoctrinated the moment you receive education until the day you die. The easiest way to control a populace is for the populace to not even know they're being controlled.

A key factor to that is limiting and restricting access to outside information. Which is what Russia does which is why the Tor project is so important

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 32 points 1 day ago

This is something more people need to understand. Just because Putin is the bad guy doesn't mean that everyone ethnically or nationally Russian is your enemy.

Hell, with conscription and an estimated death toll of 725,000 on the Russian side, we need to start recognizing this as a profound tragedy for the Russian people. Most of these men don't know what they're even fighting for, and a lot of families are going to end up shattered as Putin continues to use these conscripted men as pawns.

Way too many folks out there ready to celebrate the Russian death toll while flinging around ethnic slurs ("orcs") because they think that they're somehow sticking it to Putin, the man sending his people to their death.

[-] nesc@lemmy.cafe 0 points 11 hours ago

It's not an ethnic slur it's who russians identify themselves with. Not sure where exactly it started, ptobably with lotr fanfic "last ringbearer" but it became pretty known phenomenon, for example in russian mmorpg alldos online "russians" are orcs. It was their own idea to call themselves orcs and be proud of it.

But I do celebrate russian death toll and fling real ethnic slurs. 😺

Yeah the whole orc thing instantly rings dehumanization bells as we know them from Netanyahu and other fascists like Hitler.

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

I remember at the start of the war on practically every reddit thread I looked at were full of Russian people wanting peace and cursing their government. Weird to see people dehumanizing the people who wanted nothing but peace and love.

[-] Illecors@lemmy.cafe -1 points 1 day ago

Only commenting on the orc part, but that's what russians call themselves.

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago

Anecdotal, I have Russian friends (a couple and their kids).

The dad is really apologetic for his country. He also laments not being able to go back to visit his parents, because his profession would likely be in very high demand by the military so he doesn't want to risk getting pulled in for service (even though he's in his 40s).

The mom already went back once, with kids. She says that the population in general, in both Moscow and the countryside, seem really oblivious to what's going on. There's a huge disconnect and often even disbelief about what's going on further west. Likely due to govt media propaganda only running special operations victory headlines. Also those that are able, but down on their luck and fortune, are happy to sign up with the military for (relatively) good pay, especially if their role is not something that makes them fight at the front line directly.

I mean its pretty similar to the US recruiting their poor citizens to fight in the middle east. They are often just as oblivious to the fact that its usually entirely one sided aggression or resource wars.

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