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[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Ok. Then if you didn't plan to partner with Democrats and liberals to change the situation from the inside, what do you plan to do?

[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

In what way are the "Democrats and liberals" changing the situation from the inside?

Biden just approved another $680m arms package. That should be condemned, not celebrated. Acts that support this genocide should also be condemned, rather than celebrated.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

They're not. Of course.

They might be if we got in there, helped out, and then stirred the pot. But right now we're outside shouting into the wind.

[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

What would "in" consist of?

Democrats had both houses and the Oval Office in 2021. The Democrats were as "in" as they can reasonably expect to get unless we want to go back to 2011 when the Democrats had all that and a supermajority.

What was stopping him from doing something now? Who forced him to send more arms to Israel?

And how is the Democrats ability to do the right thing inhibited in any way by people complaining about a CEO supporting genocide?

These arguments sound a lot like when my 10 year old tells me that they'll stop watching video games and do their homework as soon as I stop nagging them. That's nonsense. They do their homework when I take the laptop away and tell them they can't have it back until the homework is done.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

Ahhhh, I found the mistake. You're assuming when I say "we" I mean "Democrats". No no no.

We, left leaning folk, need to join the Democratic party, and once WE are in, we change the Democrats to something useful.

Third parties can't work. The Republicans are way too far off ideologically. So the only tool we have is Democrats. Let's use them.

[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago

What would joining consist of?

Register as Democrats? Vote whoever they tell you to vote for?

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Supporting is not joining.

Join them. Progressives need to run for local office as Dems. Join Dem committees. Canvas for them. Get to know them. Check out "Run For Something" to get involved.

If you want real change it involves leaving the house and talking to people and being present and available.

You can also vote in their primaries for progressives, if you prefer the less impactful "support" route. But then you're just supporting the people who are doing the joining.

You can't really complain if there are no progressive or left Dems to support if you as a progressive/left person aren't joining either.

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