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ID: WookieeMark @EvilGenXer posted:

"OK so look, Capitalism is right wing.

Period.

If you are pro-capitalism, you are Right Wing.

There is no pro-capitalist Left. That's a polite fiction in the US that no one can afford any longer as the ecosystem is actually collapsing around us."

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

"Pro capitalism" and harm reduction are not the same thing. Some form of capitalist-like economics will exist until we achieve post scarcity economics. The best we can do until then is work towards that end, while also working to minimize the harms imposed by material and labor scarcity.

This is just another stupid purity test by people who care more about their own righteousness than actual action. You can call my praxis whatever you want. I don't care.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

We've been post-scarcity on a global scale for decades if you count the essentials. We've been producing all the food that's needed to feed the world, and that's with only 2% of people working on agriculture in the developed world.

The reason for housing shortages is also due to policy, not because we somehow don't have the resources and labour to build enough.

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 days ago

Statistically yes, however any of those calculations I saw were always flawed and intentionally excluded losses that will always build up even in the most fair system (losses in transport, accidents, individual wrongdoing i.e. overbuying and bad cooking, miscalculations, bad harvests etc). And then there's the rapidly shrinking space for optimal harvests, the climate catastrophe as well as capitalism keep destroying the ecosystem.

Technically we could produce enough to offset that as well, however that would include a global empowerment of… veganism. Or at least a 95% reduction of red meat, it's the most outrageous resource hog. I don't need to explain why this won't happen though.

[–] liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Capitalism is not a market. Markets have exactly nothing to do with capitalism.

Capitalism is not only not needed before total post scarcity, it prevents it as capitalism requires artificial scarcity to function.

Markets and capitalism usually appear together, but don’t require each other. You can have markets with just worker owned coops just fine.

For capitalist enterprises a free market is undesirable. A monopoly, duopoly, cartel serve to control the market in order to maximize profits.