Flippanarchy
Flippant Anarchism. A lighter take on social criticism with the aim of agitation.
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Unions have an interest in the economic success of their workplace. To redistribute wealth it has to be created in the first place.
You talking about unions sounds like you’ve never actually talked to people active in unions.
Unions can negotiate for all kinds of stuff. For example in a time where the company isn’t doing well, even a reduction in wages might be accepted, if in return nobody gets fired.
Unions can also have detrimental wider impact. One example is unionized workers in fossil industries pushing for continued use of fossil fuels.
Unions can also block necessary changes in a company, that over time can lead to its bankruptcy.
I have worked in a worker owned coop and it has the same problems. The meetings and votes were pretty exhausting and didn’t have better outcomes overall, in my experience. A democratic workplace means political campaigns, parties, and populism play a role.
Privately owned enterprises have the advantage of being able to make decisions quickly, including unpopular ones. That helps innovation and adaptation to change.
Something you left out is state, city, or other public ownership.
I'm an anarchist. You shouldn't be surprised to find out I'm strongly opposed to electoralism.
You seem not to have read the last bit of my comment where I mentioned that unions like any other kind of network can become corrupt and manipulated. Within a capitalist system it goes without saying that capitalists will manipulate everything they can.
I agree that fruits of production must exist to be redistributed, but would argue that in most contexts the amount of labor being stolen by management and shareholders is so vast that there will rarely ever be a context where a union must push a company to increase production. I'm sure it happens but it's definitely not the norm.
Unions are not necessarily tied to companies. They often aren't.
And this comment was strictly about unions so I didn't mention other forms of redistribution. My comment prior to the one you're responding to does mention those things.