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[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I doubt they have anything viable right now. Having actually watched these EUV machines get installed, seen the insides up close and personal, and talked to the techs about them extensively; there is a reason nobody else has made them yet. They're incredibly complex, requiring extreme care and precision, a ton of power, and they are fickle. I was at GF Fab 8 when they got their EUV machines; it was a process, I'll tell you that much. Custom cranes had to be installed in the fab just to facilitate any sort of meaningful work on them, and they were down a lot.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

i absolutely believe you that the technology of these old machines is much too complex and this is an argument why the Chinese have to make a better technology to replace it :
https://www.trendforce.com/news/2025/03/10/news-chinas-homegrown-euv-machines-rumored-for-q3-trial-production-spelling-trouble-for-asml/

(...) Unlike ASML’s LPP (laser-produced plasma) method, which relies on high-energy lasers and complex FPGA-based controls, the report indicates that China’s LDP (laser-induced discharge plasma) offers a simpler design, smaller footprint, better energy efficiency, and potentially lower production costs.
(...) set for trial production for the third quarter, 2025, with mass manufacturing aimed for 2026.