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Then you must know of a country that doesn't make ideological sacrifices while under attack and in a state of war, and has survived such hardship?
I don't know a single other modern "country" (that is considered "good" and "democratic" by westerners) that people don't want to defend so much that the regime needs to resort to forbidding people from leaving (and then put a huge effort into patrolling the borders because people want to escape this hell anyway) and literally kidnapping people off the streets and putting them into vans by masked ""people"" on daily basis just to sustain the meatgrinder.
The only thing that comes close are British press gangs - but that was 2 centuries ago.
And if there are some recent examples like this - I would absolutely support hanging the tyrants who do this, just like I hope Zelensky would be hanged one day.
You really haven't looked at the legal systems around defensive service of most countries, have you?
Please. I am genuinely asking. Show me a country that doesn't have legal systems in place to press its population into defensive service, and/or suspend elections during wartime.
I live in Finland, we have one the MOST WILLING populations IN THE WORLD when it comes to self-defense.
And you know what? The military police still regularly arrests deserters who fail to show up for their conscription. And we're not even at war.
The alternative, is to not be prepared against threats like Putin, who will WIPE YOU OFF THE MAP given the chance.
Democracy is a peacetime luxury.
Not sacrificing thousands to save millions, is a privilege of the leaders who live in a parallel universe that doesn't have Putin in it.
Ah yes, the Fins are sure eager to repeat their WW2 'fight for democracy' against the Russians.
What?
Literally no-one here wants war. That's why Finland maintains such efforts to be ready for it, should it happen against our best efforts to prevent it.
What?
There are no wars for democracy. Like I said, democracy is a peacetime luxury. Finland fought for independence, and hence the ability to choose to be democratic.
....on the side of nazi Germany
And yes, it's always 'defense' now. Not 'war'
Like your ally 'defended' from a Polish attack or the US needs to defend itself from Irak, Iran, Afghanistan or wherever.
Imagine a gang arming themselves to the teeth and surrounding 1 person pointing guns at him.
"Hey, we're only going to defend ourselves"
That would be the NATO, Russia analogy.
I could add the gang really hate this guy, which your and other US regime aligned comments make abundantly clear.
The US is a travesty of a nation that sometimes does some good. I said absolutely nothing in support of their various brands of BS.
And if you think Finland worked with Germany during operation Barbarossa for any other reason except to maintain its existence in the face of an imperial soviet union, I don't know what to tell you.
And yeah, people are gonna gang up and surround you if you keep hugging a nuke, threatening to set it off if anyone tries to stop your tantrums.
I don't hate Russia. Its people are perfectly capable of decency and peaceful co-operation.
But it's current leader is a madman with genuinely dangerous delusions.
I am not a fan of Putin either.
But NATO forced his hand, as was always the intention.
It is NATO who would be in the face of Russia threatening them with nukes if they let them into ex-ukraine.
It's not Russia who unilatery blew up missile treaties and put them in Romania.
If Putin would be half as mad as the west claim to be they would be at war by now.
Ukraine war is a matter of survival.
Just look at history, always the European nations attacking Russia.
History is irrelevant, past "personalities" of countries do not define how they will act in the future.
NATO is a defense pact. NATO is not what Putin is scared of, that's just a convenient name that groups together the countries that he percieves as the "source" of the threat.
Putin is fully aware that NATO presents absolute zero military danger to Russia.
The only reason he hates it, is because each nation that joins, stops worrying about appeasing him, because membership significantly reduces fear of russias military power, and hence his influence over that country.
What he is scared of, is progressive western culture. Gay people and trans rights movements give him the heebie jeebies and he doesn't like that stuff coming closer and closer to russias borders, where imaginary lines on the map do nothing to stop the spread and intermingling of culture and ideology.
Russia isn't at war to survive. It's at war because Putin is mentally stuck in the 80s and can't handle social progress.
says the guy from the country with the nazi past (and present)
What he is scared of, is progressive western culture. Gay people and trans rights movements give him the heebie jeebies and he doesn’t like that stuff coming closer and closer to russias borders, where imaginary lines on the map do nothing to stop the spread and intermingling of culture and ideology.
That is the same reasoning the israeli fascist use as an exuse about the bad muslims they genocide, interesting.
And this even more:
https://apimagesblog.com/blog/2018/11/12/training-kids-to-kill-at-ukrainian-nationalist-camp
These thugs beat up a woman's rights march, imagine what they would do to LGBT.
As if you genuinely care and not something to validate your racism, Russophobia and aggressive fanaticism.
Had enough of you.
You can join Azov, Sich, Tornado, Safari or any of the many fascist batallions, you will find likeminded people there.
Last Pride parade in Kiev lasted 10 minutes because incoming mass of neonazis made the organisers resign from march in fear it would turn into bloodbath.
oooook then
https://yle.fi/a/74-20128479
NATO is a millitary alliance of the most Imperialist countries on the planet. The purpose of NATO is to pressure geopolitical adversaries into opening up their economies for foreign investment and purchase, and crush anyone who would go against that gangsterism millitarily. Mob security is not defensive, it defends extractive processes.
NATO is frequently guilty of offensive movements as well, such as Operation Gladio. Really, NATO was formed to oppose Communism, which is why some of their earlier leaders, such as Adolf Heusinger, were literal Nazis who served in the Third Reich.
The reason NATO has increased millitarization along Russia's border is to threaten it into opening up its Capital markets to be plundered by foreign Imperialists, just like what happened after the dissolution of the USSR before the Nationalists took power. Russia is no saint, it isn't some grand hero, but without NATO trying to get Russia to open back up again the invasion likely never would have happened, as war is expensive in lives and materiel.
Trying to make this about "culture," when Ukraine is also extremely socially conservative, makes no sense. If this was about opposing LGBTQ rights and "western values," Russia would have invaded other countries with more progressive social values. Instead, they invaded Ukraine with the express goal of demillitarizing it, and extended a peace deal early in the war on the conditions of Ukrainian neutrality with respect to NATO and demillitarization. The UK and US stepped in to deny this, as they wished to milk Ukraine dry with brutal IMF loans so that they can profit off of the suffering of Ukrainians.
Are you seriusly arguing that taking war off the table is "unfair"?
Economic problems, even international economic conflicts, should have economic solutions.
Not military ones.
Ukraine was invaded because it was the one country where Putin thought he might still have sufficient support.
I am fully convinced he genuinely believed it would be over in three days.
Ukraine isn't a progressive country, though. They banned leftist parties and contain Nazi brigades like Azov. If Putin wanted to "oppose Western Values," he'd target a country representing them.
As for the natural resources, this makes more sense, and is actually a secondary reason behind the invasion, the primary one of course being what they initially pushed for in the peace talks at the beginning of the war a few years ago, NATO neutrality and demillitarization. Now that that peace deal didn't go through, they are eyeing ways to recuperate the cost of war.
NATO isn't about "taking war off the table." There isn't an "economic solution" to Imperialism that would not be resisted millitarily by NATO. See Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, Libya, Cambodia, Cuba, etc. NATO is about mantaining a brutally oppressive international system of exploiting the Global South for super-profits in the Imperialist countries.
Even economic solutions like de-dollarization are met with millitary aggression and coups from NATO countries.