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"I can't vote for Harris! She was endorsed by Dick Cheney!"
By that logic, none of the people threatened by the Nazis should have accepted help from Imperialist England and racist USA.
It was an excuse to validate inaction. Nobody actually cared about the election anymore at this point because so many foreign agents have spent so many years just pouring tons of resources into amplifying both sides of our every social issue, no matter how silly or minor, until people stopped taking a position, people just tuned out because there didn't seem to be anyone reasonable, anywhere, and we all have to survive. There are just so many hours in the day for fact-checking, and a quarter of America is functionally illiterate anyway.
On some level people knew they were just checking out and throwing the game, so that's why they clung to so many weak, frankly fucking stupid arguments against Harris.
Protest voters did not meaningfully impact the election.
I'm not even talking about "protest voters" specifically, i'm talking about the ~90 million who just didn't vote for whatever reasons. Because they were "busy" because they were confused about the issues. Because they didn't have time, because they didn't care, because they didn't like either candidate, because they liked a candidate but were afraid of popular opinion, because they were "tired of politics" and so on.
And this isn't touching on the number of people who voted Trump just for "fun" because they thought we "need the shakeup."
But all that said, if you "protest" by not voting you're dumber than rocks. Dumb rocks.
Those people will not participate unless it's required by law.
Expect at least 1 thrid of the population to never vote otherwise.
Vibes feel like a third, data shows it's closer to half of eligible voters not participating in most recent elections.
Rates have varied wildly in the US, but the last several decades (except for Biden's last run) have been low, and this is by design. Advent of media has allowed political factions to disrupt each other on a much larger scale, and the general population is too vulnerable to these attacks and appeals, and instead of making people want to get involved, the chaos makes people not want to learn the truth, so we have had elections with barely more than half of eligible voters participating.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/voter-turnout-in-presidential-elections
Cool they will never participate so focus on the ones who will
I think you need to take a break from the internet and walk around in the company of live humans.
People didn't vote for Harris because she was a colored woman, that's what voting patterns show
They just said it was because of Dick Cheney or Palestine
Reminds me of this story.
In 1980 they took a poll of people who had been eligible to vote in the 1960 election between John Kennedy and Richard Nixon. One of the questions they asked was 'who did you vote for in 1960?' In real life, the election was 51-49% a real squeaker. However, according to the poll, it was a 90-10% blow out for JFK.
Exit polls said people mostly switched to Trump because of their concerns about grocery prices, which they attributed to the current president (Biden) and thought that Harris just represented more of Biden's policies.
Exit polling is generally considered a little more viable because there's less "agenda" behind people's answers.
All this said, the real culprit here was outside influence. Over the last decade or so there have been many foreign "troll farms" paid to flood American social media with accounts boosting the loudest, most outlandish takes on BOTH sides of every social issue. This is the KGB handbook for destabilizing democracies. Racism and sexism was part of it, but so was deliberate sabotage and efforts to boost racism and sexism in the US. Which we seem to fall for with ease.
Once the general population can no longer tell what's real or not, once they can't figure out what side to take because everything is too hard to follow or too complex take a side on, they tune out. They stop getting involved. They hear a state-controlled news site (FOX, Rogan) give them a story and they shrug and accept it because they don't know the alternative.
Nearly half of eligible voters didn't turn out last election, and I say again, this was by design.
edit: user below has a history of getting banned across Lemmy, unsurprisingly, but if anyone is interested and not just here to be delusional and weird, they can look this up, election was sabotaged from many directions, if you can't handle talking about this problem, you have no business on the internet making statements. I can defend and discuss what I've learned with a cool head, can you?
https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/votecast/
I don't know why you think if you keep posting the same meme in reply to me that I'm going to do anything other than block you. It's lame, it's 2-dimensional and self-gratifying and contributes nothing to the conversation.
Less 2-dimensional and self-gratifying than you endlessly posting your Qanon-style conspiracy theory about how all of America's problems are actually due to the perfidious machinations of conniving foreigners.
Nah if you refuse to look at voting data because it goes against your narrative you can fuck right off.
The real numbers show white men/women, and hispanic men stayed home for Kamala when previously they voted for Biden.
And that's a difference of almost 13 million votes which would have made them win in 2024.
Those groups could vote for the white man but not the colored woman with the same policies.
I'm blocking you now because reality is not subjective.
I don't think you're actually blocking me, I think you just aren't prepared to have an actual conversation and just wanted to rant without anyone adding more complexity and nuance to your head-story. I'm not even arguing or denying that you had a point, I'm supplying you additional information and data, you should be appreciative.
I'm sorry, but reality is also more complicated than the 2-dimensional, cartoonish talking points your favorite youtube political streamer dumps on you.
Voting for a genocidal nazi to prevent another genocidal nazi is not how you stop genocidal nazis. This poster is not about electoralism, but addressing its inherent failure in any state wherein the discussion on genocide is not whether or not to do it, but to whom.
Congratulations.
You made the Gaza genocide worse, enabled Israel to attack more countries, screwed the people of Ukraine, and got mass deportations and attacks on transpeople in the USA.
Keep telling me what a great job you did.
Adults realize that sometimes there are no good choices, on bad ones and terrible ones.
Protest voters did not meaningfully impact the election.
Congratz on getting tricked into despising poor college students like your boomer parents.
No. The genocide was just as bad under the Democrats, you were just a genocide denier when it was your team doing it. In that sense, Trump has actually been better for Gaza, because at least liberals like you will actually acknowledge what's happening there under him, rather than downplaying and denying it.
No, you people and the fascist slogan of 'vote blue no matter who,' did quite literally all of that. Liberals have been the only people in history to willingly embrace fascism, and you've done it again. Each time so far by voting for the lesser evil by your fucked up definition until it just happens. All because you're scared of classless societies.
Liberals appointed Hitler to stop them evil commies, liberals chose to get trump elected to stop them evil democratic socialists.
I'm pretty sure next time you'll elect super Hitler to stop them evil neoliberals that are just too left wing for you all.
This is pretty fucking stupid.
"Vote for Neoliberal fascism or you're getting conservative fascism" is a stupid Duopoly to accept you're right.
So, you take no blame for an election that happened last year, but blame me for an election that happened long before I was born?
Okay, you win.
You picked your ideology willingly, despite knowing what it always leads to. You get no sympathy or assumption of good faith from me.
And no, I don't take any blame for voting against genocide while protesting in the street against the uniparty. You voted for genocide.
I'm shocked by that. Absolutely stunned.
I've seen the bodies resulting from what makes you cheer, your boos mean nothing to me.
Congratulations. You'll see bodies in the street outside your house soon enough.
Congrats, you've been privileged enough and rich enough to not see that yet. The rest of us have been living the result of white liberal 'peace,' and won't be experiencing anything different. Except some of the bodies might be white middle class now, and that's what scares you.
lol!
Typical. You think we should treat all people equally, but if they disagree with you it's because they are rich and privileged.
So open minded.
If you were compassionate and understanding you would have stfu by now, instead you keep arguing against meaningful progress because of an indoctrinated beleif that impotent Neoliberals are willing to improve the lives of regular people.
It's clear you are ignorant and it's because you are privlaged.
If you understood what you were doing you would be a troll which is worse.