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Why are you mad at me? All I am saying is what we have right now is worse than what we had last year and I would like that back at the very least. I never said that what we had a year ago would solve all the problems or was the ideal government or the best form of democracy.
Ummm... I'm not mad at you.
I'm trying to show you that you aren't asking to get democracy back (because that's something you never had).
What you are asking for is to have the "good cop" back - the very "good cop" that is right now busy handing you over to the bad one.
So we are just arguing over the definition of Democracy? I think we have to agree to disagree here. I don't think I care enough to have a deep discussion with you about that.
You don't care to find out if the thing you have been calling "democracy" your entire life even qualifies as democratic?
Fair enough, I guess - maybe the people calling themselves "democrats" not lifting a finger to stop fascism hasn't convinced you to question the lies these very same people have been selling you since birth... but that could never be me.
Yeah, I definitely don't care enough to discuss it with you. Have you read what you have posted? You sound like the least reasonable person to discuss this with. You aren't even engaging with what I have posted, you are just activated by the fact that my definition isn't exactly your definition. Go argue about nothing with someone who cares, I am not into this kink.
If all you want is to have the "good" cop to come back, and to be subject to the carrot instead of the stick - fine. You do you.
But is it too much to ask for you to simply be honest about it?
What are you talking about? Literally this whole thread started with me pointing out. It's worse now than it was last year. I never said it was the best situation last year. What do you mean talking about Good cop? I have been honest.
You do realize that calling what we had before Trumps second term a democracy does not mean that. I think it's the best right?
What did you think the relationship between liberalism and fascism is? Good cop - bad cop. Carrot - stick. I'll ELI5 it for you - when liberal lies ceases to protect the status quo, they stand aside and allow the fascists to take over and protect the status quo through unbridled state violence.
Did you notice how the COVID pandemice highlighted the class divisions between the billionaire parasites and the rest of us? Did you notice how the decades-old liberal propaganda machine surrounding Israel came crashing down just recently?
Do you see the lies starting to fail?
You - and the rest of us - are now stuck watching the "stand aside" part of the process in action. This means... no - we can't go back to what was last year, or before 2016, or any time before this. And no, we cannot "strengthen" democracy because we never had any to begin with. What we had was a piss-poor democracy-knockoff which, anti-democratic as it fundamentally was, is now seen as unnecessary by our political establishments and it's billionaire handlers - if Trump and his myrmidions' behaviour hasn't clued you in to that by now I don't know what will.
Ah, thanks. I never heard that reference before in regards to fascism and liberalism.
But I'm not a liberal. I'm a leftist.
Also I never said it was possible to go back. I just said it was better back then compared to now.
That's the left's fault in general, I'm afraid - many of us are too afraid to admit (either to ourselves or others) what liberalism really is and always have been. And that's costing us - it hampers our ability to actually explain to people why everything we are seeing is happening in the way it is.