Lefty Memes
An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.
Serious posts, news, and discussion go in c/Socialism.
If you are new to socialism, you can ask questions and find resources over on c/Socialism101.
Please don't forget to help keep this community clean by reporting rule violations, updooting good contributions and downdooting those of low-quality!
Rules
0. Only post socialist memes
That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)
0.5 [Provisional Rule] Use alt text or image descriptions to allow greater accessibility
We require alternative text (from now referred to as "alt text") to be added to all posts/comments containing media, such as images, animated GIFs, videos, audio files, and custom emojis.
EDIT: For files you share in the comments, a simple summary should be enough if they’re too complex.
We are committed to social equity and to reducing barriers of entry, including (digital) communication and culture. It takes each of us only a few moments to make a whole world of content (more) accessible to a bunch of folks.
When alt text is absent, a reminder will be issued. If you don't add the missing alt text within 48 hours, the post will be removed. No hard feelings.
1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here
Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.
2. Anti-Imperialism means recognizing capitalist states like Russia and China as such
That means condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavor.
3. No liberalism, (right-wing) revisionism or reactionaries.
That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" seen on lemmygrad and more specifically GenZedong (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).
4. No Bigotry.
The only dangerous minority is the rich.
5. Don't demonize previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.
(if you are reading the rules to apply for modding this community, mention "Mantic Minotaur" when answering question 2)
6. Don't idolize/glorify previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.
- Absolutely no posts or comments meant to relativize(/apologize for), advocate, promote or defend:
- Racism
- Sexism
- Queerphobia
- Ableism
- Classism
- Rape or assault
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- (National) chauvinism
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- Zionism
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inb4 "capitalism is just markets and those existed for 5 billions years. Checkmate"
Ha! frontrun that tried argument by 1 minute
Wrong, capitalism when government doesn't do stuff. Naturally socialism is when government does stuff, and when government does a lot of stuff its communism.
/s
The Richard Wolff Clip you're referencing, in case anyone wandering in hasn't seen it yet
There are quite a few of those over on the Lemmy.ml version of this post.
How is it not?
Because capitalism is not just markets?
Expand on that please
Not without a dinner and a movie first!
Why are you guys so hostile to simple questions?
I don't feel I was particularly hostile.
Did you answer my questions, or just reply with snark?
My peep, why do you think you're entitled to my time? Especially with statements like "Expand on that please". Who do you think I am, your intern?
Sorry i forgot we're in a no-discussuon zone
I forgive you.
It was a joke. I for one got it and thought it was very funny.
Because https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions
So you don't want anyone being curious about socialism. Ooook then.
Ok, this should answer your question: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/41709845/17895604
I should have known to look up a month old post. My bad.
You're welcome.
You're an idiot
Friend, no one is being hostile or attacking you.
Friend, not one person has answered a simple question.
There are examples in the link @unruffled@lemmy.dbzer0.com sent, or you can see the Lemmy.ml version, as it has more comments here.
You don't know how to type out a countries name? Why is that so difficult for you?
That's not what you asked, lol. You asked "how is it not?" You got an answer to that.
Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production, i.e. machines, land, factories, companies, capital. Capitalism doesn’t even need a free market. In practice it always tries to control the market in the form of regulatory capture, cartels, oligopolies, and monopolies, because they are more profitable.
One example: Capitalism requires private property of the means of production. Markets don't. You can have usufruct markets.
Based on this definition, private property and means of production have existed far more than 400 years.
Private property of the mop.
???
Private property of the means of production.
Private property existed beforehand, Means of productions obviously did. But explicit private property of the means of production is a relatively new invention.
I fail to see a distinction between a Lord owning a farm with a mill that produced flour and a capitalist owning a factory that produces flour.
Feudalism isn't exactly capitalism but it's splitting hairs. Nor do I agree with Engels that serfs had it better because it was in their Lord's interests. If that was the case then a Capitalist would treat it's workers better as well.
The difference is that a feudal lord didn't sell the flour for profit which he invested to buy more farmland (that's the
M -> C -> M'
process Marx explains in "das Kapital"). You couldn't buy land in feudal times.You don't need to agree with Engels. The industrial revolution lead to a stark, tangible decrease in living conditions for the proletariat/former serfs. That's just a historical fact.
In the medieval book, The Aristocracy in the County of Champagne, 1100-1300 (2007), Theodore Evergates dedicates an entire section to 'The Market in Fiefs'
Land was bought and sold all the time by lords.
The serfs left the farm because for all its hardships, it was better. They could have gone back but didn't. The bigger factor reducing quality of life was population growth.
So... where were the medieval capitalists? O.o
Nope, the enclosure of the commons prohibited the serfs to come back. If living conditions were so much better in the proletariat, the conditions wouldn't have led to several revolutions.
??? You said there was no land sale. I proved that wrong with a cited source. The end.
Farmers ceased to exist? Enclosure riots started in 1530, 200 years before the industrial revolution.
The desire for progress today doesn't mean the past was better. Did the civil rights riots of the 1960's mean that slavery was better?
I can admit that I'm not enough of a history nerd to disprove you. I'm pretty sure Karl Marx uas, though.
But yeah, if you say so: Capitalism is as old as humanity. From way back when people invented money to make barter easier, which never happend. Sure thing, bra. /s
Come on man, I only said I saw a Lord owning the means of production as the same as a businessman owning the means of production.
You are literally arguing about definitions, it's all splitting hairs.
Butthurt much?
Someone needs to get the cliffs notes of Marxist theory huh.
Huh or you could explain a little
If you're genuinely curious, you'll look up the information yourself.
I'm not going to go through the effort to baby-bird you Marxist theory when you obviously don't care to verify for yourself.