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It sure is enabling my right to think you're enabling them. Unless you leave the table once you know who you're sitting with, I'm judging you. Hard.
What if you're sitting at the table with them, Nuremberg style?
Then you'd be on trial for crimes against humanity.
... i meant on the other side of the table?
What is the point of leaving the table?
It will make you feel better, and your neighbours who judge you for who you talk with, instead of for what you say.
That's not enabling them
I mean that's their choice.
So if someone had a happy conversation with a Nazi about the "degeneracy of the West" and "Judeo-bolshevism", you wouldn't judge them?
Of course we would judge them, because they're happily talking to a Nazi. How can you exchange the time of day with someone who would happily sit there and murder thousands of innocent people in cold blood?
^ literally everyone who's saying it's fine to work with Nazis. Is it really so difficult to see what's wrong with that scene?
You realise that to deradicalise someone you actually have to speak to them, right? I believe this is what the guy you are talking to is referring to. Deradicalisation is something both governments and leftists do when someone goes to the far right. The answer isn't just screaming, ignoring, and killing people all the time. Have you never heard the term diversity of tactics?
I think the reason why it's a common belief that one should never "talk to nazis" because a lot of people would easily be convinced by them.
I.e., if a common person talks to a nazi and hear about their beliefs, they might at some point say "oh, these guys are right after all", and then you have more nazis.
however, i'm an intelligent person and can actually discern what is true and what is not based on my own abilities, and wouldn't be convinced into being a nazi just by talking to one. In fact, it would have the opposite effect and make the nazi a non-nazi, thus improving society.
So that you aren't around a Nazi, dude. Normal people don't want to be around Nazis. Their beliefs are abhorrent. "Abhorrent" means "So horrible I cannot stand even the thought of it". From everything you've been saying though, you don't find their beliefs abhorrent, just uncomfortable. I really hope you think it through more deeply, because I don't know why your opinion on mass murder in cold blood is "yeah but if I can get something in return then it's cool".
That's what "work with" these people means. You have to compromise at some point to work with people, and Nazis won't compromise on the mass murder, so that means you'll have to.
I don't want to be around a Nazi, but I also won't inherently be against it. I'd rather be friends with a Nazi who's fun to talk to over a sane person who is boring to talk to. That in no way is an endorsement of their beliefs, and to believe it is the same kind of perversion of tolerance that they usually believe in.
Were they to be enacted they absolutely are.
Where did I say that?
I really don't know what you mean by "work with". You were the one who brought it up. The discussion was about eating dinner with a Nazi. So when you first said it I thought you literally meant like a coworker who's a Nazi. If you mean working with a Nazi to advance Nazi goals, that's a very different thing. And of course I wouldn't do that- but its not what the discussion is about.
Right here:
First, you think being boring is worse than being a Nazi. What the fuck is up with that?
Secondly, "Work with" covers a lot, and I do mean all of it. Work with them to advance their agenda when they're in government, work to be friends with them and normalise their views, it doesn't matter how you work with them. So I'm done. You're a fucking Nazi, just not the kind you're thinking of. You're the everyday Nazi, who sat there in Germany and shrugged as people were starved and beaten and gassed. That's exactly what I've been highlighting for you this whole time, and you just came out and said it 👍
Edit: blocked and also get fucked.
No I'm not. That's a lie and you know that's a lie. You know that's a lie because I'm saying exactly what I say despite knowing most people will disagree with it. Especially most Nazis. And especially because I'm not hiding behind anonymity while I do it. Those people were people unwilling to standard for their beliefs. Unwilling to disagree with authority or the majority. I've proven I am not that. But even when I'm right this is pointless, because as Noam Chomsky said:
"There's no way of responding. If somebody calls you an anti-Semite, what can you say? "I'm not an anti-Semite"? If somebody says, "You're a racist, you're a nazi", you always lose. I mean, the person who throws the mud always wins, because there's no way of responding."
Disgusting, absurd and unrealistic. I can't imagine compromising on my beliefs simply for... what... entertainment??
"Oh, well, he'd like to kill all the non-whites, but he told a good joke one time."
Seriously, you must have a severely broken moral compass to think like this.
But even putting all that aside, I can't imagine a Nazi ever being "fun to talk to". Fun for them is beating up ethnic minorities. Jokes to them are bullying those who are different.
And you'd just happily nod along to their racist statements about ethnic minorities? Really? Simply because Jim the non-Nazi is, like, a bit boring?
Idk about you, but i consider the moral sanctity of my soul to be far more important than a few minutes of entertainment - which, tbh, I likely wouldn't even enjoy.
Where did I compromise on my beliefs?
I mean did you see what I said about literally explicitly being okay with being friends with a murderer. If you're actually curious about why I think like that: I think people are much more multifaceted than most people give credit for. They're molded by their environment, habits they fall into. I think behaviors and beliefs are closer to habits, or sometimes addictions, to ways of thinking than they are fixed elements of a "personality" or "identity". I think there are probably many killers who were genuinely sweet, and kind, and caring, to their friends and family- and when they're like that, that's just as much them as when they're doing genuinely evil things. I can see the human while also not enabling the evil.
Yea I agree their sense of humor is often really bad. "N-word == funny" type stuff. But there might be some some actually funny ones. Also the worst thing is how they always want to bring everything back to the jews. Like I can think a movie is bad without wanting to hear a 10 minute rant about how the jews control Hollywood.
Where did I say that?
Having a "fun" conversation with a nazi
Well that's all very sweet, how nice of you to be so kind to murderers.
But whatever, I just don't care - you are not beholden to be kind to someone just because they are multifaceted and complete humans. Humans can be evil, and if even one of those "facets" is murdering or a desire for genocide, I have every right to disagree with that. I do not owe anyone my time, or my patience.
And so fucking what if they're molded by their environment and experiences? Why should I give even the slightest shit if the end result of the molding process was a FUCKING NAZI? I've had bad experiences with ethnic minorities and didn't blame it on their heritage or skin colour. Why should I let them off the hook?
Funny if you're racist. And again, I do not have to wade through a mile of shit and corpses just because there might be a slice of cake at the end. I am allowed to say "no, fuck off".
Yet another reason not to talk to them outside of berating them.
Like I already said: when you said you'd prefer a "fun" nazi to someone else "boring", and implied by you taking issue with me saying you should either argue or leave. This implies you'd prefer to stay and not argue. And if you're not arguing with them or leaving, what are you doing? Standing completely still with no words or body language of your own? No, you're engaging in the conversation.
Next paragraph explains
I agree, you don't have to. But just because you choose not to, doesn't make me a nazi if I choose to. That was what this was about, it was never about forcing you.
Again they have the capacity to say stuff outside that.
And again where did I try to change your mind on that?
You understand that nazis talk about a weather too? I would do the same as I do with everyone. Make it clear I disagree with what I disagree with, but also have the capacity to talk about other stuff.
First time you've said anything remotely like that. Why not say this sooner?
Because that's me being an argumentative person, I don't think someone has an obligation to, to prove to external observers they're not a nazi. That's also not their job.
Is that the way you think? You only argue with people to prove who you are to observers, or if it's your job?
I argue with people for a lot of reasons. I an saying no one has an inherent obligation to argue with anyone.
It's not an inherent obligation, but if you genuinely oppose those ideas, you'd feel compelled to argue against them if someone expressed them, or else remove yourself from the situation ASAP
You're saying you would, I explained why others might not feel the same way, and still genuinely oppose them
You can't genuinely oppose something and tolerate it at the same time, that's a contradiction
I don't agree with that
Then I suppose we disagree on what "oppose" or "tolerate" mean