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What is it you don’t like about New Trek?
It's just action sci-fi with a thin veneer of star trek universe on top. What made Trek so good was how it could present a moral dilemma that required the human spirit and willingness to sacrifice for the greater good to overcome. It also had cool aliens and tech and shit, which new trek does fairly well. But really the thing that gets me is how bad the writers are. They're inconsistent. They push endless fan service. They pander. They focus on action too much. They take the easy way out when it's clear someone in the writers room attempted to sneak in a satisfying narrative only for a suit to ruin it for everyone. FFS Lower Decks had better stories than SNW because they were able to sneak them in under the guise of it being farcical (and lower budget meant less suit involvement).
Flashy technology to macguffin the solution to a problem isn't satisfying to watch. Plot-armor-mooted-heroism against all odds to solve a problem isn't interesting. The ensemble cast of Mary Sues doesn't make for good drama. The thinly veiled fanservice fueled corporate cash grab is insulting.
Came here to ask if it was worth watching as someone who considers Next Gen and DS9 (and Voyager to a lesser extent) to be peak Trek. I think you've answered my question!
Oddly I can recommend Lower Decks. It's not star trek, but it's a star trek themed farce.
I tried a couple episodes of Lower Decks but I wasn't taken. Maybe I should just skip to S2.
It took me until I got to the Badgey episode (I think episode 4 or 5) to click with it. It's like a less raunchy Rick and Morty humor with a Star Trek skin.
This is the first complaint I've seen about any of the new Star Trek shows that didn't use the word "Woke" as a pejorative term. I'm impressed and appreciative of your well-thought-out take on it.
You actually do have some decent points, but I'm still an unabashed fan of the new stuff, especially Discovery/SNW.
It IS different, in all of the ways you describe, but every new trek has been a stylistic departure from the previous ones in some way, shape , or form, and I've been taking the plot armor Mary sue-ing as one piece of that. (Something DS9 also has to a degree, but they definitely held to the "difficult moral choices" aspect in spite of it).
Thanks for your opinion and insight.
I've seen a lot of valid criticism lobbed at DSC. Commenter above hit pretty much all the points. It's just bad writing. The themes are good, production is top notch, the action is OK (every Trek show is different, this one has more action, fine). But once you get over the novelty of the first season, it gets bad real fast, and only gets worse.
Thanks for not just downvoting like everyone else. People take this stuff too personally.
Even in spite of my complaints, I'll still watch it with the family. I'm just bummed out that the qualities that made Star Trek so endearing are watered down or lost to the changing tastes of a new generation of media consumers and the insufferable corporate assholes who just don't get it.