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[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

yet you're kneecapping large swaths of people on the ground engaging in direct action advancing left leaning values

Direct action is meaningless if you're hostile to building a coalition broad enough to actually gain any significant political power. It doesn't matter how many lit memes anarchists and communists share on social media and how much they horn on about "direct action," this is a democracy and without votes going to candidates who can win, it is ultimately meaningless.

You want me to do some introspection? I did. I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward. Then I grew the fuck up and did some introspection.

[-] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Direct action is meaningless if you're hostile to building a coalition broad enough to actually gain any significant political power.

Spoken like someone who's never done organizing, participated in protests or any other direct action. You're a keyboard warrior who's probably never even interacted with a socialist IRL.

this is a democracy and without votes going to candidates who can win, it is ultimately meaningless.

Not a democracy and also I already gave 2 examples showing the contrary.

I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward. Then I grew the fuck up and did some introspection.

No need to be a condescending dick. I'm also guessing I'm older than you, not that it's relevant.

[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

I've participated in dozens of protests. Protests with political organization can lead to change. Protests without political organization are just yelling at a wall.

No need to be a condescending dick.

If you don't want someone to take offense at what you write, don't smugly tell them to learn introspection. Act like an arrogant dick, get treated like an arrogant dick.

[-] epicspongee@midwest.social 21 points 1 year ago

I’ve participated in dozens of protests. Protests with political organization can lead to change. Protests without political organization are just yelling at a wall.

Protests !== organizing. Organizing achieves political change. Protest does not. Leftists know how to organize, liberals do not.

[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

If liberals don't know how to organize and leftists do, why does the Democratic party dominate elections

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Have you heard of COINTELPRO?

[-] StalinwasaGryffindor@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Because leftists understand that actual progress doesn’t come from voting?

[-] panopticon@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Have you heard of capitalism?

[-] Deme@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Liberals don't know how to organize precisely because the Democratic party dominates the elections. No need to organize when the organization already exists. All they need to do is to "vote blue no matter who".

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