That's a very marxist perspective. There very much is a debate going on all across the planet as to how much freedom from government and religion that people should have. If you bother to educate yourself on the politics of Muslim dominant nations you will see they are having those discussions right now.

To be clear Cowbee, you are talking theory and I am asking you to pull your head out of your books and look at the world around you.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago (30 children)

People can talk all they want, but "debate" matters very little in terms of actual systems of political economy. Iran is fairly liberal and nationalist right now, as an example. I despise your insinuation that I simply only read theory and don't pay attention to the world around me, while you draw false binaries and trap yourself into an idealist worldview.

Again, discussion matters far less than what the actual system is, and furthermore leftism in, say, Iran would be socialist. You have a very liberal view of liberalism, humorously enough.

[+] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works -9 points 4 days ago (29 children)

If you despise my assertion that you only read theory you should not make claims like "Iran is fairly liberal now". The Iranian government has a very heavy hand in that economy and economic freedoms don't exist like they do in capitalust economies.

Try looking into African nations that are liberal in name only and literally any Muslim dominant nation that permits religion to have a direct role in the government if you want to see societies that are debating what degree of liberalism is acceptable.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The Iranian government has a very heavy hand in that economy and economic freedoms don’t exist like they do in capitalust economies.

Many of us are socialists, and we don’t take issue with a state constraining the capitalist class’ economic freedom. If you live in a neoliberal hellscape like most of us, you ought to want it more constrained, too.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Im not arguing whether it us acceptable for the state to restrain private industry, but if you are claiming that Iran is liberal they cannot do this to the extent they currently are doing. My point is Iran is not a liberal nation

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago

So you're a radical capitalist? Everything not 100% porky-owned is not capitalist to you? Perchance your village is about to get overrun by bears?

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