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Legit how does NK seem so un-infiltrated by western agents, so much that they have their own spies, while Iran and Russia seem so compromised?
Is it just the length of de-linking from the global economy?
It's because North Korea has no bourgeois class to speak of; both Russia and Iran have a ton of rich businessmen who desperately want to normalise with the West so they can make more money. This class of people simply does not exist in North Korea. Likewise, let's say you want to bribe a North Korean to work with you; how the fuck do you even pay them? Pay them with what? North Korea is entirely cut off from the global financial system, there's no workarounds that exist, unlike places like Russia and Iran.
You combine this with the DPRK state taking collaboration and intelligence far more seriously because it's a communist state, not just a global South aligned would be capitalist state like Russia or Iran. The DPRK is run by communists who watched the United States devastate their country in living memory, they take security extremely seriously. There's a reason the DPRK has nukes and Iran doesn't, and it's entirely because of this difference. Communists have no hope that they'll be able to work with the West, they see no benefit to working in good faith with those who would seek them dead.
They learned the lesson from watching the fall of Gaddafi. The lesson: never give up your ability to mutually assured destruction, lest the west destroy you.
And the lies about Iraq. The US will accuse you of building nukes, invade your country, kill a million people, and then the Secretary of State goes on TV and tells everyone they knew they were lying the whole time. If that's going to happen, might as well start building nukes.
Im pretty sure NK actually does have capitalists. Most of them cooperatized, but there are special economic zones like china
They've got a tonne of officially sanctioned markets dotted around the country too, those markets deal in stuff brought over the China border mostly. They're susceptible and reachable if you set your cia op up inside China on the dprk border.
Issue is that China killed all the cia operatives.
Of course there are plenty of hanjian you can recruit from, but its not so easy to rebuild a spy network when the first one took multiple decades and got put in a blender in a matter of months.
Yes precisely.
The only vector for a spy network is the China border, and the security DPRK has against such a spy network is the CPC not allowing it to exist in their country.
I imagine if you could operate in China the cia would set up bars or brothels on the border with the DPRK and start getting access to some of these people smuggling goods back and forth. But China is willing to kill everyone it catches so nobody is willing to do it.