So apparently for lemmy.world mods pointing out that the word "anti-semite" is far more used than "antigypsyism, anti-Romanyism, antiziganism, ziganophobia, or Romaphobia” even though the Nazis targetted both Jews and Roma in the Holocaust, is, somehow, "Criticizing Jewish people as a whole".
Or maybe it's the whole "I don't care about any one specific race, I care about people and think it's always unjusct when people are treated differently based on things they were born with, such as race" that was deemed "Criticizing Jewish people as a whole".
Good old lemmy.world: they were called on it repeatedly so eventually walked back on the whole "criticizing Israel is anti-semitic" but apparently if you don't go along with the view that racism against a very specific group is much worse than racism against people from other groups, then you must be against that specific ethnic group.
My comment in text for reference:
All clearly as frequently used as "anti-semitism" /s
And yeah, I don't care about race, any race, I care about people, which includes that they're not unjustly treated for things that were not their choice, such as the race they were born into.
It's Racists who feel the need to care about a race or races, defending things for some races which they do noit defend for others, doing little performances about how others must care about those races too and that those who don't "are against those races" - for them race comes first, defining a person and dictating how they should be treated.
For Humanists race is something that should be of as little importance to how somebody is treated as the color of their eyes or how tall they are, and yet they see again and again race weponized by Racists to treat people differently even though those people haven't actually earned such treatment through their actions: in other words race fro Humanists is something that should be irrelevant yet has been turned by others into a pivot for injustice.
It's pretty obvious from your little performance which one you are
Okay, I really don't have the energy or health capacity for getting into an argument, so I hate myself for doing this, but since no one else speaks up:
No, Nazis did not target Roma in the same way as Jewish people. While both were seen as "rootless" and "parasitic", Jews were seen as evil, behind every misfortune, infiltrators, conspirators, actively behind every great crime in history. Eliminating Jews symbollically and materially was absolutely central to Nazi ideology, eliminating Roma was not.
This was also not an invention by the Nazis, but has had a long tradition in Europe (e.g. the myth of Jews killing Jesus making them a force of genuine evil in the eyes of many Christian thinkers) and, yes, also the Arab world, where it really took off with the rise of nationalism, similarily to how it was in Europe.
The claim of the second comment, of "but what about Roma [or Poles, or Slavs more broadly]" is used all too frequently to distract from the totality of extermination that was planned and carried out. Not "just" colonialist genocide, not "just" eliminating "unworthy life", but a genuine belief in eradicating evil, that characterised the Holocaust, targeting Jews specifically, as the "architects of evil."
And the claim that now, Jewish people have simply moved into the "Übermensch" category, as in the second comment shown, is precisely prescribing those attributes to them - as a people that now plots to destroy other ethnicities for being unworthy. That is way beyond criticising the genocide in Palestine as a colonial-paranoid genocide. Without knowing more of the context, its hard to say how heated things got, and what your underlying idea was, but you did cross lines here. It is possible to oppose genocide and settler violence without crossing those lines.
Mate, I don't know in which countries in Europe you lived in, but in all 4 countries of Europe I lived in discrimination against Roma People (or Travellers in the UK) was far, far larger and normalized than discrimination against Jewish People and yet, how many times have you heard or read any of the the words "antigypsyism, anti-Romanyism, antiziganism, ziganophobia, or Romaphobia" versus how many times have you heard or read the word "anti-semitism", especially in the Press?
Now, granted, I'm not old enough to have lived during WWII so I'm not going to claim it wasn't the other way around 80 years ago, but I can most certainly make informed claims about how widespread anti-semitism is in present day Europe compare to other forms of Racism against minorities and how right now claims of anti-semitism are vastly (tens of thousands, maybe millions of times) more often thrown around than for example claims of "Romaphobia" even though the latter is vastly more common.
(And that overuse of "anti-semitism" has become much worse since Israel started it's latest Genocide).
And yeah, special attention towards specific ethnicities and the racial discrimination against them, but not others, not because of the intensity and damage of that discriminations is higher but simply because of the target being a specific race, is itself Racial Descrimination and hence Racism: the Nazis too practiced "positive" discrimination in favor of the "Arian Race" - it's not on the footsteps of Humanists you are walking, it's on a whole different kind of bootprint.
And definitelly I FULLY STAND BY MY WORDS that the Fascist Pigs supporting Israel and its actions by throwing accusations of anti-semitism around against critics of Israel and its actions are just present day Nazism supporters with a different list of ubermenschen - putting a dress and some lipstick on a Fascist Pig and claiming they're "lefties" because now their Racial Discrimination is "positive" doesn't make such creatures any less Fascist Pigs and what they wallow in any less disgustingly racist.
The moderator statement that, when one makes the point that the level of attention and alarm towards a form of discrimination should be proportional to its prevalence and the damage it causes and not be decided solely based on the which race is being targetted, is "Criticizing Jewish people as a whole", just confirms that they follow the full-blown Racist idea that protection is deserved or not based on ethnicity and some ethnicities are more deserving of protection than others.
They were pointing out European Jewry have been the go to chew toy and scapegoat for literal centuries, which was a major sociological factor that helped facilitate the holocaust. Some of that still clings.
This doesn't negate the fact that many people treat Rrom like dogshit in this day and age, they're just pointing out there's a reason why Jewish people are overwhelmingly the majority of holocaust victims
It's been almost a century since the Holocaust and, as I said, from my own experience living all over Europe, things are not like that anymore in most of Europe (though I heard Hungary is still a shithole in that sense).
From all I've seen, the "go to chew toy and scapegoat" these days just about everywhere in Europe is Muslims.
The Humanist point of view is that you go harder after the racial discrimination causing the most harm, and these days that's not anti-semitism, so it logically follows that those people demanding that in the present day far more resources and attention are dedicated to anti-semitism than to those forms of Racial Discrimination which, right now, are causing far more harm and are more widespread, aren't driven by a Humanist desire to reduce pain and harm (as if that was the case they would want even more help and attention for the even more damaging forms of Racial Discrimination), and hence the most likely explanation for their desire for such an unfair allocation of resources (especially unfair when contrasted with things like Romaphobia, and right now even more so Islamophobia due to the mass murdering along ethnic lines which is the Gaza Genocide) is Racial Preference and Racial Discrimination, or in other words, Racism.
This aligns to how the Jewish Supremacists - the Zionists - have infiltrated, subverted and weaponized the fight against anti-semitism (which is obvious to all in how criticism of Israel is repeatedly deemed "anti-semitism", even codified as that in Law in some European countries) and turned it into a tool to advance their own malevolent supremacist ends: it makes sense that most of the push for keeping anti-semitism the form of Racial Discrimination that gets the most attention and resources is coming from the supremacists since that boosts their position, rather than from people genuinely concerned with the harm caused by anti-semitism, and a strategy of repeatedly pulling out the events of the Holocaust, almost a century ago, to guilt others into going along with that (even in the face what now seems like a new Holocaust, being commited by those very supremacists) is an obvious strategy, especially in places like Germany.
And in all this, out comes a moderator - in lemmy.world which has a history of supporting Israel in their Genocide - claiming that me pointing this out is me "Criticizing Jewish people as a whole”.
Accusing people of being "Against the race" when they don't go along with one's demands of extra attention for their claims of Racial Discrimination against that ethnic group, is EXACTLY the kind of reaction that Racial Supremacists have, as examplified by assorted White Supremacists, such as the KKK and the Afrikaaners in Apartheid South Africa who were prone to make wild exagerated claims of "attacks on Whites" and would then, whenever these claims were challenged, accuse people of being "Against Whites".
Humanists fighting against Racism don't accuse others of being "Against the race" when they disagree, because they don't look at it as races, they look at is as people being made to suffer by others who use Race as an excuse.
Dude. Don't unload on me.