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China ended the first half of 2025 with a record trade surplus of about US$586 billion

Exports rose 5.8 per cent in June from a year earlier to US$325 billion

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[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (25 children)

A strong USA is a call for stability. Consider what they said about the mongols, "For fear of his yasa and punishment his followers were so well disciplined that during his reign no traveller, so long as he was near his army, had need of guard or patrol on any stretch of road ; and, as is said by way of hyperbole, a woman with a golden vessel on her head might walk alone without fear or dread."

Weather the mongols (or the USA) are a good empire is a separate matter. The US brings a lot of stability for small countries and keeps sea ways open for trade. It is not an act of charity the way some republicans frame it, but still. Simply saying for the US empire to fold those responsibilities begs the question, who or what will take its place?

These are not easy questions and leave a lot unsatisfied. They almost remind me of anarcho capitalists saying that with out states and leaving things to the free market everyone will hold hands and sing kumbaya.

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago (20 children)

You're acting as if there aren't large will powers that aren't chopping at the bit to take the place of United States to maintain World stability.

You're acting as if the United States single handily keeps the world stable which is absolutely not true.

If anything the United States is more of a destabilizing force in the global South and it is a stabilizing Force.

Right now I would say China is probably the most stabilizing force in Africa due to its Belton Road initiative and they're working on helping stabilize South America where the United States is constantly overthrowing governments that aren't friendly to the United States.

The Chiquita banana Wars come to mine along or the overthrow of Allende when they had a perfectly reasonable centrally planned socialist government in place. The exiled capitalism Chile worked with United States to violently overthrow the government when the people were objectively happy with what they had.

I do not think the United States is a stabilizing Force around the world

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

You’re acting as if there aren’t large will powers that aren’t chopping at the bit to take the place of United States to maintain World stability.

You’re acting as if the United States single handily keeps the world stable which is absolutely not true.

I am not and I addressed that when I said,

"Weather the mongols (or the USA) are a good empire is a separate matter. "

In your other comment you bring up how China is bullying The Philippines. Russia also treats central asian / caucasian countries the way the US treats central america. Is that good? No, and yet many might say that a strong Russia is a kind of stabilizing force. A stronger Russia is able to bluff that the CSTO is worth the paper its printed on and have deterred the Amermenian-Azzeri war that happened a few years ago.

Do I think the Russian Federation or current China with its imperial goals are forces for good? No, but that is a different question to "do they bring stabilizing effects". And I will point out again the question was more or less as to why people consider the US a stabilizing force; not if that is a good or moral thing.

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fair enough my point is if you're worried about world stability that there are plenty of other countries who are interested in World stability and will pick up the mantle at the US leaves on the ground.

Yeah China's bullying the Philippines however the Philippines are also a bit of a proxy to the US so they're just naturally hostile because they don't like the US. I'm sure there's other reasons and yes they absolutely have imperialistic ambitions but I would say that when we make comparisons to United States or even like the USSR I think China has more peaceful than these states and is less belligerent.

Not to say that China isn't belligerent only that I think they're generally less corrosive to the world

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not to say that China isn't belligerent only that I think they're generally less corrosive to the world

PH, Peru and Argentina all have the same complaints on China regarding fishing. Their aggressive ghost fleets will show up to take everything and ram them out of their own waters. To say they are less aggressive is giving good will they haven't earned. Likely because they don't have the same power projection the west currently has.

that there are plenty of other countries who are interested in World stability and will pick up the mantle at the US leaves on the ground.

I think an issue with this statement is that it just assumes things will work out. I specifically brought up the csto as a non western example of an empire collapsing causing a war among two other parties that were in that sphere of influence as they say. I also brought up ancaps as another unserious group of wishful thinking. I don't have an answer but I am calling yours out as handwaving real concerns.

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

I'm not necessarily hand waving away the issues you have I just think that there's plenty of countries jockeying around that'll fill the void left.

It's just a difference of opinion.

I do agree that it remains to be seen whether or not that's good or a bad thing.

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