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Even if you steel man his argument and presume his 100% innocence, he still did something wrong by traveling to a place he didn't live to act belligerent to locals with his gun. It is impossible for you to argue that he did nothing wrong. Try harder.
Jurisdiction and Travel: One could argue that traveling to a place, even if it's not one's primary residence, does not inherently constitute wrongdoing. Rittenhouse had family ties in Kenosha, and he worked in the city as well. Thus, presenting it as an outsider coming in with no connections can be misleading.
Intent: The presumption of his intent as "acting belligerent" is an assumption. Kyle's stated intent was to protect property and provide medical aid. It's vital to separate one's interpretation of his actions from the actual intent.
Law Self-Defense: The trial's core issue was whether Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. The jury found him not guilty on all counts, implying that, legally speaking, his actions were in line with self-defense statutes in Wisconsin.
Weapons: While he was underage possessing a firearm, the gun charge was dropped due to the specifics of Wisconsin law. The argument could be made that the gun shouldn't have been there in the first place, but this is a separate issue from the question of whether he acted in self-defense once confronted.
Moral Nuance: One can argue that Rittenhouse may have made decisions that escalated tensions (like bringing a firearm to a volatile situation), but that doesn't mean he acted criminally during the events in question.
Avoid Overgeneralization: It's essential to avoid painting the entire situation with a broad brush. Just because someone believes that Kyle acted in self-defense in the events of that night doesn't mean they endorse every decision he made leading up to it.
This is you conceding and agreeing with me. Thanks for playing, nerd. I win
People can disagree with some of Kyle's decisions while still believing he acted in self-defense during the confrontations. It's crucial to separate those two aspects. Discussions like these help us understand different perspectives, and I appreciate the exchange. Let's continue discussing the nuances without making it a game of wins and losses.
You said he did nothing wrong and now you are trying to apply nuance after getting blown the fuck out. I win again
here's your "nuance." It was the police's fault more than anyone. the police deputized a bunch of vigilante reactionaries to "defend private property" (i.e. capital) from working class protesters by shooting them on sight. One of these vigilantes was a 17 year old who wasn't so much as carded by the police for the assault rifle he was open carrying. He then proceeded to do what he came to do, which was deliberately get in an altercation and shoot people, while making sure to "offer medical aid" to the people he was walking towards with a drawn assault rifle over his microphone so he could look like a nice guy while doing it. He then proceeded to "surrender to police" by raising his hands and walking towards a patrol car. The police drove right past him and didn't so much as investigate what he had done until much later because they approved of what he did. He lucked out and got a Fox News show trial where he could cry crocodile tears and pretend to be haunted while the nazi judge pat him on the back and kissed his boo boos. Now insufferable people defend this modern day friekorps child soldier online so they can feel like they were heckin nuanced.
inserting nuance when there is none does not make you smart, and the more you think it does the more gullible you are
There is no nuance. You either stand against fascism or you are one of them.
Absolutely, it's important to approach discussions about cases like Kyle Rittenhouse's with an open mind and a focus on understanding different viewpoints. Separating personal opinions about his decisions from the legal question of self-defense allows for a more nuanced and productive conversation. Let's continue exploring these complexities without trying to assign winners or losers.
(This is chatgpt I’m just playing the dumb game they are)