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[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 91 points 11 months ago

You know what? I never thought I'd say this but I'm with Ukraine on this one.

This whole counter offensive insanity is so militarily nonsensical that it had to have been mounted to please the West with a "win" so that they'd stay in the war. Real Chiang Kai Shek committing the best of the KMT army to Shanghai to impress the Westerners energy.

The West is standing on the sidelines, supplying just enough equipment to keep the embers going and judging the ordinary Ukrainians going to their deaths by their hundreds.

Fuck the clowns in charge in Kiev and fuck the Nazi militias obviously. But at this point the men being sent to the front are old men and boys dragged off the street against their will. Sending them to die to appease the West is fucking sick.

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 15 points 11 months ago

This got an upvote?

Are you open to proposing your master plan?

Ukraine has been invaded. Are you suggesting they do not fight back?

NATO is not war. No NATO country has been attacked. Engaging against Russia directly would put NATO at war with a nuclear power. I cannot imagine that this is your plan.

Not just “the West”, but everybody is on the sidelines as far as direct engagement goes. Most countries are assisting Ukraine where they can. Some to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars. Most have imposed crippling sanctions. So. “sidelines” is a bit misleading from that perspective.

Even Russia’s allies are “on the sidelines”. You certainly do not see much overt support from China. They have even maintained ( in fact stepped-up ) diplomatic relation with Ukraine.

Or are you trying to imply that the underlying cause of everything here is something other than Russia’s continued invasion? Everybody could truly go back to the sidelines if Russia just left.

The only other path is for Ukraine to win. Are you supporting that or not?

[-] calavera@lemm.ee 77 points 11 months ago

What do you mean by not just the west?

We have almost zero countries on Asia, Africa and Latin America which have sanctioned Russia or sent military aid to Ukraine

This is just related to nato/Europe/global north countries.

Europe is not the whole world

[-] jackoid@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago

Europe is not the whole world

Shocking

[-] VentraSqwal@links.dartboard.social 0 points 11 months ago

But are they supporting Russia through money or tanks or drones or intelligence? No? Then they're on the sidelines. Like they said.

[-] calavera@lemm.ee 19 points 11 months ago

Most countries are assisting Ukraine where they can

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