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Lemmy users are like (lemmy.world)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by YashaB@lemmy.world to c/memes@lemmy.ml

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We're the good guys, they're the bad guys. Isn't it?

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[-] darq@kbin.social 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Subjective. But he's not the worst.
Liking cars is one thing, but we should not be designing our lives around cars. The more we cater for cars, the worse our living conditions get. The more we treat cars as the primary and required method of transport, the worse our society becomes.
And 4. Individual action alone is simply just ineffective at solving the problems. Focusing on individuals rather than systemic change is the same as doing nothing. If we want to change behaviour, we have to change incentives.

[-] speff@lemm.ee -5 points 9 months ago

I'm saying "individual" action is the problem. When an "individual" buys bottled water, or buys some cheap shit from Temu which will break in 2 days, or throws cardboard in the trash instead of recycling, everything becomes just a little bit worse.

It's not an individual. Every time you see that word, you can safely multiply it by a couple hundred million and see the actual almost-daily effect of what an "individual" does. A billionaire flying one leg of a private flight 10 miles? Who fucking cares compared to the bigger picture?

[-] darq@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago

Whenever I see conversations like this, I have to wonder, what is your goal? Are you trying to solve the problem? Or are you trying to find someone to blame?

Because if it's the latter, then go ahead blame individuals all you like. It's overly simplistic and ignores the fact that people's behaviour is shaped by the systems they live under. It's also completely and utterly useless at actually solving the problem. But by all means, you can waste your time as much as you like, just don't expect people who actually want to affect change to waste their time humouring such stupidity.

[-] speff@lemm.ee -4 points 9 months ago

Not sure if you're actually trying to understand what I wrote, but I'm not trying to find someone to blame - I've already found them. I'm not trying to effect change - I'd become a politician or teacher if I wanted to do that. These are just observations.

And it's interesting that "people who actually want to affect change" wouldn't want to try to tackle the actual problems. I guess it's easier to point to single-target big bad entities rather than a more vague entity like....everyone. Also it is easier to pretend people don't have agency, isn't it?

[-] darq@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

I’m not trying to find someone to blame - I’ve already found them.

... Please consider being a serious person.

And it’s interesting that “people who actually want to affect change” wouldn’t want to try to tackle the actual problems.

Wagging your finger at individuals is never, ever going to solve the problem.

Identifying systemic changes, and advocating for them politically, will.

I guess it’s easier to point to single-target big bad entities rather than a more vague entity like…everyone.

Again. You are focusing on blame and pointing fingers. Nobody cares who you want to blame.

Also it is easier to pretend people don’t have agency, isn’t it?

Nowhere has I said that people don't have agency. I said that people's behaviour is shaped by the systems they live under, which is a trivially true observation.

So if we want to effect change on a scale large enough to actually make a difference, we will focus on systemic changes.