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submitted 10 months ago by EdenRester@kbin.social to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

Rishi Sunak is considering introducing some of the world’s toughest anti-smoking measures that would in effect ban the next generation from ever being able to buy cigarettes, the Guardian has learned.

Whitehall sources said the prime minister was looking at measures similar to those brought in by New Zealand last December. They involved steadily increasing the legal smoking age so tobacco would end up never being sold to anyone born on or after 1 January 2009.

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[-] rainynight65@feddit.de 37 points 10 months ago

Smoking is one of the very few things everyone is better off not doing.

[-] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Same with alcohol, but I don't think we're allowed to say that yet. Maybe one day!

[-] Uncle_Bagel@midwest.social 12 points 10 months ago

American prohibition and the war on drugs has shown that toal band like that really just make consumption worse while piling a whole new slew of problems onto an existing issue.

[-] Wage_slave@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

I wholeheartedly agree with ya there, but would smoking be carried on in the same fashions as drugs and booze?

I quit years ago after thirty years of smoking and while it was hard as fuck, and i was nasty as a human for a while, I didn't get the urge to find plug for smokes or off up ass for a pack of butts. Or kill anyone for that matter.

Here in Canada the jump in price has reservation smokes selling like fucking crazy. My old Racist as fuck neighbor bent his morals just enough to say his buying them was justified. I am pretty sure old Dar would drop and blow a herpes staff for a smoke, so I am probably already wrong to question it.

[-] Uncle_Bagel@midwest.social 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

While people may not be willing to kill or rob someone to get a pack of smokes, there will absolutely be a black market for them that will be rife with unsavory characters that will. I live an hour away from a recreational marijuana state and it has destroyed the local black market for pot as anyone who wants to get high can just drive across the state line and get their own pot. No more sketchy drug dealers pushing other substances, no more police stings to catch teenagers buying dope.

Buying controlled and reasonably dangerous substances from licensed retailers like a dispensary, grocery store, or even a gas station is a lot safer for everyone than trying to keep tabs on a black market. The danger of prohibition wasn't alcoholics trying to find their next drink, it was mobsters like Capone trying to dominate the black market for popular goods.

Edit since i misread what you meant: Sure tobacco is on it's way out as is, but nicotine consumption is still skyrocketing. I dont see how banning tobacco sales for anyine born after a certain date like Sunak is proposing will help anything. People under 30 are already way less likely to smoke tobacco but consume unhealthy quantities of nicotine anyway.

[-] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago

This just isn't true though. Other countries ban alcohol and it doesn't turn into what happened during American alcohol prohibition. Nor does it mean banning needs to be done like it was done during that period either. You people gotta start thinking a bit deeper about stuff.

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

What countries have successfully banned alcohol? Besides Muslim countries that employ capital punishment.

[-] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago
[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Lol sure. The worst country in the world for narcotics trafficking?

[-] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Do you pick out Alabama when you talk about the entirety of the US? Or do you tend to be less xenophobic and less racist?

[-] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 6 points 10 months ago

Do not disagree it not good. But until you can indicate passive damage to non drinkers. You will find it hard to argue for the ban in society. Only actions of drinkers that may effect other will ever be considered an issue.

[-] huginn@feddit.it 0 points 10 months ago

Only actions of drinkers that may effect other will ever be considered an issue.

Yeah and we should ban cars to get rid of drunk driving tbh

[-] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 2 points 10 months ago

If we ban oxygen all crimes would stop. And the planet would soon recover.

Fortunately we are democratic enough not to listen to outright stupid ideas. Or to punish all for the stupidity of some.

[-] Wage_slave@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In any context, this is the most infuriatingly fucking stupid argument there is.

"well we should ban......."

Instantly stupid. just add human.

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