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Yeah but this a white country it'll probably get picked up pretty quick.
Ed: listen I'm sorry if that's upsetting but we've cleaned up two world wars faster then either of those countries and what's the major difference?
Uhh, the explosives from the world wars have not been cleaned up. I've been evacuated from my home twice due to the discovery of aerial bombs under construction sites, and the forest behind my childhood home was still being cleared of mines until ~2008, IIRC. This was in Germany.
That is not the same as actively mined areas with children who never saw the war walking around missing limbs because they powers that put munitions there refuse to pick them up.
Also, I'm not so sure Germans complaining about remnant bombs is the best example given that they started both world wars and Korea and Vietnam didn't even start their own wars.
They weren't complaining, just giving you an example of how a central European country still isn't "cleaned up" even after all these years. That country being Germany has nothing to do with their point.
It is for all intent and purpose cleaned up, finding eod is usually things people collected and shouldn't have or things deeply buried. Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia have active surface level minefields that have been known and documented since during the war, it isn't a matter of hard to find in those places it's a matter of allied powers simply not having any interest in demining the places they mined.
So still finding WWI and WWII land mines in France as recently as 2014 as booby traps in pipes (over 100 years after the start of WWI) doesn't count somehow?
Things in the area of the alsace go up and rarely come down it's an incredibly mountainous area, there are still functional artillery pieces out there. That is however much much different than knowing you put mines there, knowing civilians cross through it and yet refuse to clean it up. And to add to your point there is an area of France that quarantined since ww1 because of the level of arsenic, but again that's an exception not the rule.
The wholesale use of mines and particularly cluster munitions really did lasting damage in several countries post WW2. WW2 bombs went underground when they didn’t detonate and that offers some “protection”. We don’t do heavy carpet bombing like that anymore. Mines and cluster bombs remain on the surface. It’s going to be even worse because modern weapons use a lot of plastic to avoid being easily detected and more cheaply produced. And if the few video clips I’ve seen of Ukraine lately are any indication, the use of small cluster bomblets is rampant. They’re slightly larger than your palm, green, and plastic.
There’s going to be a lot of missing feet in the following years.
Edit: found out what is being used in Ukraine are called “butterfly mines”. . There are going to be multiple thousands of these laying around.
People are still dying from ordinance from WWI and WWII in Europe.
Also the US dropped more bombs on North Vietnam during the Vietnam War than the total number of bombs dropped during WWII. That is quite a difference, major even.
Yes just not nearly at the rate people are killed and maimed in countries not of European descent.
Bombs that were like 200% more reliable probably moreso so unexploded ordinance is rarer and ordinance was dropped in a much more concentrated area making that issue still less of an issue.
That said their issue is mines and mines and demining technology has gained huge huge steps in technology. Hell most of the mines dropped a around Ukraine are more than likely at and maple leaf style dropped time limited munitions.
i dont know if you're from europe or not. if you are from europe, you should know better than to make that claim. we are not even close to finishing the cleaning up of UXO from the wars.
https://www.1stlinedefence.co.uk/news/uxo-related-incidents-in-germany-and-austria-over-the-past-two-decades/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_rouge
https://www.horizon-europe.gouv.fr/identify-inspect-neutralise-unexploded-ordnance-uxo-sea-34207
https://archive.ph/f4fPN
i do get where you're coming from with your first statement, it's just... maybe a bit strongly worded, and definitely, factually incorrect. bosnia is a prime example of a white country that is absolutely littered with UXO and mines. i'm not trying to downplay the severity of the UXO issue in southeast asia, just to make the point that white countries don't have some magic intrinsic ability to clear mines faster.
i cant be bothered to research anymore, so i will guess that the UXO clearance rate is mostly a factor of time, and mostly a factor of the amount of initial UXO that was deployed. if anyone wants to follow up on that (because i'm lazy) then go ahead 😃