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[–] echo64@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A lot of game design is incredibly boring and laying off people making those things is probably in their best interest

People need to pay rent. The fuck is this.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The fuck is what, the jobs in question won't even pay rent. Translation, for instance, is contract work and pays less than minimum wage if you do it well and it's not a job of passion. If that's what's keeping you afloat, your problem isn't with the gaming industry, it's with society itself.

Quitting that work was also the best decision my wife ever made, so fuck off with bleeding heart nonsense. Those jobs aren't jobs society should have.

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Even if you remove the jobs, it doesn't create jobs. If you remove those jobs the people who were taking them are still there.

Where do they go when the jobs are gone? Is this just meant to force those people to change careers? Did your wife's skillset transfer anywhere or is she still unemployed? Or did she get a new job that has nothing to do with translation?

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Well putting it another way, labor market always stabilizes, and it's only the last few decades labor didn't raise with demand (at least in the U.S.). But inevitably people find work or create work, the speed of which could be days or it can be decades depending on a ton of factors that won't fit in a one off explanation on Lemmy (especially given how much people don't like hearing what I have to say, regardless of my own training in policy lol).

But to explain at least a little nuance, people in jobs with low entry requirements often do change industry and people with training or education sometimes do. Tech companies gave us a great example recently with massive layoffs. Reports are still out but it seems like many of them just found more work or made start ups. It was kind of interesting that some left tech, but it's a high paying job and even outside of layoffs, there's a concept that if you want a raise, you change jobs because there's always someone looking for programmers.

My wife actually ended up in localization, which is slightly different from translation but has room to go up (which she did). Same industry. Not going to dox her, of course, but she managed to get work within a week and has a weirdly high success rate even if the industry still grossly underpays everyone (gaming is a passion field). Bilingual skill is not easy to train, so she was valuable-- she just didn't know it when she was just doing contact based translation work.

Ugh, and there's another long winded explanation I meant to avoid, haha. Look, I don't worry too much about it if you're American (or Western European). If you guys want to get upset about something, it can and will harm the jobs that were outsourced decades ago. Translation for instance is big in Eastern Europe (e.g. Romania) and automation easily removes those jobs.

[–] echo64@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago

Those jobs are jobs society does have even if you think it shouldn't. You know what happens if ai takes everyone's jobs that you think shouldn't exist? No one has any money. No society is laying out plans for this, no one is setting up any systems to help people when this happens.

And who saves the money? Share holders. you have the problem with society, everyone else is just trying to pay rent.