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Who are all these extremist wackos who don't already want to abolish capitalism?
Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system. It's not perfect, but neither is any other system.
The Capitalists sure did make an enemy out of anything remotely communist. I think it’s been several years in a row now Nordic countries have been rated the happiest in the world. They don’t practice traditional capitalism either (heavily regulated capitalism with a strong social safety net), one could argue they’re on to something
What the hell are you talking about. The nordic countries constantly rate as one of the most economically free countries in the world. Capitalism is everywhere in the nordic countries, but it's also used to support comprehensive welfare state.
And yes, I come from the "happiest country in the world" so I guess I can literally see that we are quite capitalistic.
Edit: it seems that the original comment was edited so my comment looks kinda unnecessary now
When the Capitalists enslave your country and remove your safety nets and healthcare, tell them youre a capitalist lol
Who are these special "capitalists" you are referring to? Majority of Finnish citizens and literally every major political party here?
The Billionaires. They’re already coming for NHS, you think you’re not next?
No lol. Also the Finnish health care system is already heavily a mix of public and private sectors because of how our social security system and occupational health care system works.
The Billionaire, a creature who seeks power rather than money, would never come for you, would they
If we are talking about power hungry people, I'm much more concerned about the authoritarian power hungry leader right next to my country currently at war with another european country than some hypothetical power hungry billionaire who could try to harm our society.
Yes, as I said, Billionaires are the source of most of the world problems.
I guess by that logic the socialista are also the problem because last time they were the ones who invaded us.
I’m not familiar with your history so I have no opinion to add to your statement
Are these Capitalists in the room right now?
They're in my government right now.
Nope, they’re gangbangin your mom
Socialism isn't necessarily about taking away economic freedom, there are versions of market socialism that may be considered economically free. Socialism is ,theoretically , the transition state between capitalism and communism, so capitalists might still exist in a socialist state, but not a communist state where they are completely abolished. Socialism therefore is about disempowering capitalists and empowering workers until one day the workers hold all the power and cast off the capitalist. This can be done in many ways from a revolution to sieze the means of production to a progressive tax that takes away capitalist wealth.
Most modern socialists in the west realize without a large scale crisis the likes of the great depression, the people won't support a revolution. The best they can do is to disempower the capitalists with tactics allowed in the current system. These tactics, trade unionism, welfare states, progressive taxes, nationalization of industries are all in heavy use in the Nordic countries, and imo contribute significantly to their happiness.
Socialism is measured by the power of the workers, not the control of the market.
Yes, I don't disagree with anything you said. The original comment before OP edited it said that the nordic countries don't have capitalism which was something I found highly misinformative.
I've had so many debates with people who say "socialism is a success, it works in Scandinavia".
And I'm like, when have the Scandinavian and Nordic countries ever been socialist?
Nordic countries are socialist, unless you have a very narrow view of socialism in that it's basically a synonym for communism. Socialism is the transition state between capitalism and communism, and therefore exists on a large spectrum. On one end of the spectrum is pure capitalism where capitalists have complete control and autonomy over production, and on the other end is pure communism where workers have complete control over production. Socialism stands ambiguously on the communist end of the spectrum, but theirs a large gray area. Government policies and institutions like progressive taxes, trade unions, welfare states, regulations and nationalized industries serve to empower workers and move the system towards the communist side of the spectrum into the socialist territory.
No, they're social democratic, which is not the same as socialist.