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[–] twisted28@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (23 children)

The Capitalists sure did make an enemy out of anything remotely communist. I think it’s been several years in a row now Nordic countries have been rated the happiest in the world. They don’t practice traditional capitalism either (heavily regulated capitalism with a strong social safety net), one could argue they’re on to something

[–] MrHandyMan@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (17 children)

What the hell are you talking about. The nordic countries constantly rate as one of the most economically free countries in the world. Capitalism is everywhere in the nordic countries, but it's also used to support comprehensive welfare state.

And yes, I come from the "happiest country in the world" so I guess I can literally see that we are quite capitalistic.

Edit: it seems that the original comment was edited so my comment looks kinda unnecessary now

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Socialism isn't necessarily about taking away economic freedom, there are versions of market socialism that may be considered economically free. Socialism is ,theoretically , the transition state between capitalism and communism, so capitalists might still exist in a socialist state, but not a communist state where they are completely abolished. Socialism therefore is about disempowering capitalists and empowering workers until one day the workers hold all the power and cast off the capitalist. This can be done in many ways from a revolution to sieze the means of production to a progressive tax that takes away capitalist wealth.

Most modern socialists in the west realize without a large scale crisis the likes of the great depression, the people won't support a revolution. The best they can do is to disempower the capitalists with tactics allowed in the current system. These tactics, trade unionism, welfare states, progressive taxes, nationalization of industries are all in heavy use in the Nordic countries, and imo contribute significantly to their happiness.

Socialism is measured by the power of the workers, not the control of the market.

[–] MrHandyMan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Yes, I don't disagree with anything you said. The original comment before OP edited it said that the nordic countries don't have capitalism which was something I found highly misinformative.

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