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this post was submitted on 04 Nov 2023
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There are places like that in the US, with very little crime, there are also places with a lot, the US is the size of the entire EU and it's incredibly likely your country is the size of Michigan alone.
What you don't seem to realize though is that if someone wanted to sneak in and slit throats in the wee hours of the night you people are incredibly vulnerable, as you do literally nothing to prevent it instead just trusting that it won't happen. And that's great, I hope it never does, but the only thing stopping them is willpower. I say the same to people living in ideallic small towns in tge US where so many people say "we have so little crime here I don't even lock my doors," well, the only thing keeping you from some Richard Chase type is luck.
There are also places in the US that are not like that, where you basically need a gun, amd the people in those places are usually too poor to move but can afford $500 for something that may save their life. You judging those people for wanting to stay alive is called "classism."
You do understand that "rate" means "per capita" and thus it doesn't matter if my country has a few million or a billion inhabitants when comparing a rate?
If you are incredibly afraid about an event where the likeliness of it occurring even once in your lifetime is roughly 1:150 000, then it's not called "being prepared" but "being paranoid". Your chance of dieing in a transportation accident is much, much higher and still your response isn't to fortify yourself in your house and never leave it.
Is it called "classism" if our poorest and worst locations are much better than your average?
Also, consider that more people die due to suicide or accidents using their own gun than people get killed by someone else's gun.
No, I was comparing towns of 500 where it is safe to not lock doors to Chicago where it isn't safe to leave the house. Regardless of capita there are areas that are like that here too. They're wrong, and the only thing keeping them from being victimized is luck and obscurity, but security through obscurity is a poor plan.
Ok, then since it is so rare anyway, bans are unnecessary.
No, it's classism that makes you think the concept of "I can't afford to move out of the hood but I'd also like to protect myself" something to deride. You may be rich enough to move, we aren't.
And plenty of people in Japan kill themselves without guns. Shit I'm drinking near train tracks right now, and laying down in front of this next amtrak drunk as piss would frankly be easier than shooting myself had I the will to do either (but I like life, so..) l
Ok, that makes sense now. You don't understand statistics.
And you don't understand the difference between having laws for rare cases and being constantly paranoid about rare cases.
Please learn some statistics, especially stochastics and probability theory. If you understand the basics, look up some statistics about what you are talking about and then we'll continue talking.
I literally wasn't talking about per capita rates, you are misunderstanding the conversation at a base level. I tried, but since you are unable to grasp the topic I'm out.
No, you didn't try.
No u.