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[-] StalfoSpork@lemmy.world 49 points 10 months ago

Ah yes because butches and the like are famously accepted by their family and peers and never subjected to sexual harassment that tries to "fix" them

[-] Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 75 points 10 months ago

Everyone has different experiences, but this post pretty much perfectly shows how people act where i live. There arent really any types of clothes that women aren't "supposed" to wear, but men get a lot of weird looks if they wear skirts, frills or anything not seen as "masculine"

[-] rosymind@leminal.space 28 points 10 months ago

My husband pointed out that certain items like sneakers, backpacks and scrubs are either unisex or women's. Many other items are that way, too. A men's watch might be large on a woman's wrist but no-one would really think twice. A tiny pink watch on a man's wrist would likely garner more attention (depending on where you are in the western world, of course)

[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Honestly I think the pink would draw more attention than the size of the watch in that example. Most people aren't paying close enough attention to others' wristwear to notice size.

I think there are certain traditionally "masculine" things that would draw more attention than others if a woman wore them, but I'm struggling to think of any that would cause actual upset. You still hear the occasional grumble about women in business suits from time to time, to spite women's cut suits having been a thing for decades, but that's mostly well accepted now.

Tuxedo, maybe? They cut them for women too, but that one feels like it's mostly still in the male category because its opposite is often expected in certain formal settings. A women showing up to something formal in a tux and not a dress would probably still do it today, depending on the event and the people in attendance.

Like imagine a ball or some other bougie shit where a husband and wife both show up in tuxes.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 10 months ago

I think certain styles of hats are still exclusive to men mostly. I think that's more because wearing hats went out of fashion rather than it being an issue though. I'm sure if people started wearing hats more often, those styles would be worn by either gender, but women's hats would probably still exclusively be women's.

[-] rosymind@leminal.space 2 points 10 months ago

I think a tux cut to a woman's form can be super sexy.

I also think men should rock pink more often :)

[-] StalfoSpork@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago

Fair tho just because you personally don't see it doesn't mean this doesn't happen to other people. There's way worse things you can get besides weird looks

[-] norbert@kbin.social 33 points 10 months ago

Bro I see girls with short hair wearing boots all the time and nobody bats an eye. The second a dude in a dress walks by everyone stares and whispers. There's worse things that can happen to a guy in a dress than weird looks too, and I'd wager they're more likely to happen.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

I don't know about butches but women wearing male clothing is just an everyday thing where I live. So much so that a lot of male clothes are just unisex clothes. Not so for women's clothing

[-] StalfoSpork@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago

If it's considered unisex then it's not women wearing men's clothes it's women wearing unisex clothes which is different than what I'm saying

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

They became "unisex" (often still labeled men's clothes and on men's section of the store) because so many women used them.

[-] StalfoSpork@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago

So they're still seen as unisex. Also what was the reaction before they were considered unisex? Oh yeah not great. Women were banned from wearing pants in various places for a long time and women wearing men's clothes dealt with hate. Look up people like Marlene Dietrich

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

It's unisex because of how common it was and still is. Meaning there's no issue about it since there basically isn't male clothing anymore.

I guess what I'm wondering about is what sort of clothes these butches are wearing to cause issues?

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ah yes because butches and the like are famously accepted by their family and peers and never subjected to sexual harassment that tries to "fix" them

... That's not what the meme is about. The meme is about being aggressively in your face about your fashion choice lol.

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