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[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 98 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah, creators, just build, host, and maintain your own streaming video service.

[–] honey_im_meat_grinding@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

To be fair, it already exists - PeerTube is a thing. The real reason people stay on YouTube is the network effect[1] - everyone else is there, so why would you leave? They're not coming with you, they're not giving you money on the new platform, they can just stay on YouTube and keep life simple by not worrying about a bunch of choices. Epic has spent billions losing money trying to compete with the network effect that Steam benefits off, so it's clear how much money and risk it takes... only for nothing to really change. It's not something that we can expect creators to drive without collective effort, and that kind of is happening with Nebula (which is part owned by the creators who join it) - we can only hope they keep that momentum going so they begin to form a real threat to YouTube's dominance.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Making a video is easy. Making a good video is hard. Setting up a server and configuring Peertube is a level above that. Once you've done it you've successfully reduced your total addressable market from billions to maybe a few thousand.

[–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I've read you can sync accounts and auto-publish your YT uploads to Peertube?

Sounds like the inital setup of choosing an instance and making an account is the most effort you're going to go through

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not denying there is no netwerk effect regarding steam, but shit - have you seen the Epic Games launcher? Functions are minimal and buggy and it's never a great experience. For example: the button to my friends list has not been working for the past year and it's still not fixed.

I know it's hard to compete against steam, but I really get the feeling they're not particularly trying very hard....

[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the epic launcher is terribad in just about every respect. It's so offputting I barely play any of the games on there.

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 5 points 1 year ago

And PeerTube has effectively no competitive monetization model. If there was a hope of eventually making more money there, I'm sure people would start paying attention, but there isn't.

Overwhelming when people can get something for free or for cheap, they do.

[–] vacuumflower 1 points 1 year ago

You mean - just use IPFS? Or Tribler? And maybe there's been something else of the kind recently.

I guess Retroshare is not user-friendly enough.

There's also that LBRY thing with some web-hosted instances, an Electron native client and weird cryptocurrency usage attempts (in their case the goal seems honest ; it's just that I don't like things using blockchains - never understood how it would work for the use cases imagined, even in theory, people would tell me that I don't get it but they do, and somewhere around now it seems neither did they).

I mean, you are right, but there are attempts, sometimes close to success, of doing this with P2P (a video streaming service).

If you say then that monetization is an issue, then what I wrote about LBRY in parentheses is an attempt to do that exactly.