Is the bot/troll situation getting worse? (lemmy.giftedmc.com)

submitted 10 months ago by haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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It feels like the amount of both, divisive posts and ghoulish comments is rising again.

One could argue that the world has a lot of divisive stuff going on and lemmy just talks about it. But the way people post about stuff seems more oot and hateful than it has been in the past.

Not saying it is that but if I wanted to bring the Fediverse down or at least keep my customers from going there, I would sow this stuff as much as I can.

I'm blocking ghouls left right and center atm but if I ever asked a friend to join lemmy, I'd hate to think of what they would see that I dont anymore.

Do we need stronger moderation?

Maybe ban politics from c/memes?
Become a little more stringent on "dont be a jerk" rules in communities?

One thing that really bothers me is the collapsing "discourse". Trying to mend fences and keep the conversation between sides going ime leads to nothing but downvotes and shitstorm.

I feel like a little more interaction (instead of intervention, at first) of the moderators would do wonders there.

Thanks for reading this rant. Have a nice day.

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[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

I followed the thread you're talking about, you might be a bit overly sensitive to what constitutes a conversation on the internet. I don't find the trolling any worse or better today vs. last week or last year.

You might want to make an account over at beehaw, they like to stay pretty sheltered over there and have defederated from, well, pretty much everyone.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 9 months ago

Well, I‘m not a bit overly sensitive I just dont like to be manipulated and insulted. It frankly do not care how people treat their family and friends. Having a discussion without personal attacks is normal and everything else is normalized abuse.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

You mentioned them calling something buying and selling. Did they also insult and manipulate you?

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 0 points 9 months ago

Not sure if this is a sincere question.

Manipulative and degrading rhetoric is what I‘m talking about. Bad faith arguments, assuming that someone arguing in a certain way must be naive or stupid, etc.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

The question is definitely meant to highlight that I think you may be exaggerating, but in that purpose it is sincere.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 9 months ago

Sincere trolling you mean?

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

No. Sincere use of a rhetorical question to make a point. While also leaving the door open, via format, that you might actually be telling you the truth. I purposefully leave both those avenues open because I don’t try to control the direction a conversation will go.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 9 months ago

So instead of stating your honest opinion, you use rhetoric, something people will likely misunderstand, in a situation like this, where very many people are in fact trolling? Did it occur to you that this isnt the most promising approach if you actually want a meaningful discussion?

[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

He didn't seem very sincere tbh. Odd

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 9 months ago

Do you also get the feeling that this might be what we were talking about?

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

What you’re talking about is banning people across many instances at once. Please don’t do that to me.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 9 months ago

We will see. Especially if someone behaves like you, engaging someone over multiple threads without actually being interested in their opinion or trying to sincerely interact with them, they are prime examples for the „noise“ I‘d like to reduce.