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[-] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 111 points 6 months ago

He revealed massive warrantless domestic surveillance. The 1700s equivalent would be if the post office made copies of every single letter everyone sent and then promised not to read them unless the sender or recipient was one day subject to a valid warrant. Whoever revealed this info would've been a hero and a patriot back then, and it should be the same today.

Snowden leaked his info about these programs more than a decade ago. If that is what the three-letter agencies and big tech were capable of doing in secret then, just imagine the shady shit they're doing now.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -3 points 6 months ago

Read the Cuckoo's Egg from 1989. NSA were at the very least tapping all international calls in the 1980s.

The people that cared knew about this for a long time.

All Snowden did was give up sensitive intel to foreign adversaries and got NSA capabilities that anyone that cared already knew about talked about more in the media.

And nothing has really changed. There's no international law against this so there's nothing preventing Russia and China from looking at your data. There's also nothing prevent five eyes countries from spying on each other's citizens and sharing it back with the country whose citizens they spied on. Do you feel better that the NSA is spying on Canadians while Canadians spy on US citizens and the two countries exchange what they have on each other's citizens?

If that is what the three-letter agencies and big tech were capable of doing in secret then, just imagine the shady shit they’re doing now.

They would have all data that any company has about you that has been sold to a marketing company. It's trivial to create a shell company posing as a ad agency and legally buy all that data. And given the enshittification of everything there is data on basically everything you do. You buy groceries with a loyalty card? It's on an NSA database being analyzed by an AI for suspicious activity. You didn't read the fine print when you got that loyalty card that said they would share the data to third parties? It means the data will be shared to anyone that's willing to pay them for it, and that includes the NSA. Why do you think they were giving you that discount? Because they're nice? Nope, it's because they can sell your data.

This is happening because it's the job of the NSA to gather data for intelligence purposes. They will sponge up any data they can legally obtain. And if you agree to data being shared with third parties, you've agreed that the data can be shared with the NSA. So it is.

So now you understand that the NSA is likely doing these things because they can, do we need another traitor to hand over classified data to foreign adversaries to make you aware of it?

[-] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Do you feel better that the NSA is spying on Canadians while Canadians spy on US citizens and the two countries exchange what they have on each other’s citizens?

but then,

do we need another traitor to hand over classified data to foreign adversaries to make you aware of it?

Government doing it in secret vs a citizen exposing it? I'm going to back my fellow citizen in this one.

This is happening because it’s the job of the NSA to gather data for intelligence purposes. They will sponge up any data they can legally obtain. And if you agree to data being shared with third parties, you’ve agreed that the data can be shared with the NSA. So it is.

That's some serious bootlicking there, you think they're only collecting "legally" obtained information? Let's also gloss over the anti-consumer practices that companies employ to obtain that sweet third party data on you.

"you’ve agreed that the data can be shared with the NSA. So it is." - JFC you have some weird logic going on in your head. Let's just forget what's required in today's society, the data that has to be shared to perform basic functions like employment now adays. The average citizen is not a privacy expert and no one is educated in K-12 to be consensual informed.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 months ago

I’m going to back my fellow citizen in this one.

Your "fellow citizen" is a citizen of Russia. Ya think he's going to expose all the data collection Russia is doing? LOL

Let’s also gloss over the anti-consumer practices that companies employ to obtain that sweet third party data on you.

Indeed. Everyone glosses that over because it's considered acceptable for every scumbag marketing person to know everything about you so they can manipulate you into buying shit you don't need. That's fine as long because you're too paranoid over the NSA to give a shit about the fact that privacy doesn't even exist anymore. You're data is so boring to the NSA it gets filtered out with one pass of an algorithm. The marketing companies are data mining the shit out of your data.

There's no such thing as privacy now, the only thing Snowden accomplished was compromising intel which Russia rewarded him for. Dude is a straight up traitor.

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