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You expected right wingers to actually think, that's the problem right there.
Right wingers are exactly the same people as you and me. They just were born into different family in a different part of the world with different culture. You're not superior to them only because you think differently - just luckier to have grown around different people.
Ok but I don't get off on hurting people, and based on the things they say and the people they vote for, they really, really do.
It's unfair to generalize like that. Just like all left-wingers aren't communists, not all right-wingers are bigots either. The world is not black and white. If you were to sit down with one and have a honest discussion you'd likely discover there's more you agree about than you realized.
The ones that want to talk about politics mostly just call someone like me a libtard or some equally dismissive term. Having actual conversations with them is impossible.
You do realize we're talking about hundreds of millions of individuals? How could it possibly be that they're all like what you're describing? It's the extreme minority that you can't have a discussion with withouth verbally and physically attacking eachother.
I'm talking about the vast majority of the ones I've interacted with.
Some of them, I assume, are good people.
Most of the left winging people they talk to tell them to kts and their SO is cucking them right now, and that they duck their cousins. You can't judge the world off the worst of online comments and DMs. Its the selective feed of the worst humanity has to offer to maximise your engagement not a random sampling of the vox populi it pretends to be.
I'm not telling them that, but I may as well considering how they react to me. And while I make a point of not being around conservatives IRL, I know people who've been around them and they report similar behavior to what I've seen online.
Also, and this is the big one: I know what they vote for. I don't give a flying fuck if they act polite and reasonable to my face if they then go and vote to turn my country into a fascist hellscape. I have exactly zero sympathy for people who support taking away my rights and making people I care about unsafe.
I honestly appreciate not letting the real harms these policies cause slide just because they are polite about it. No disagreement there.
I've seen it too though, I had a mentor I really looked up to be unhinged after the recent shift in politics and say truley vile things to me I dared imply the "dear leader" might have made a mistake. So no doubt they exist and unfortunately its more than its ever been. Just saying a lot of the reason IMHO as to why people have been more vile is clearly the effect of these out rage bubbles.
Focusing on talking to Conservatives that are open to ideas and mean well matter too, that's who can actuallybeconvincedd.
I don't agree with genocide supporters on the genocide, and that is enough.
Sorry pal but the mob has spoken
Mob? There's two people pushing back.
though enviormental (as in what's around them, not just plants) effects on one's up bringing cannot be overlooked - there's many, many people, who grew up in conservative and or right wing families or even countries, and yet they questioned their norm and outgrew it
And some people drop out of medical school in London to go fight for ISIS. People are strange and others are drawn towards ideas others aren't for no fault of their own.
I'm pretty sure supporting ideas you agree with is 100% within the fault of a person
I don't think it's that simple. Why is for example the majority religion in the US Christianity but in the middle east it's Islam? Do people just freely happen to choose the same religion as everyone else around there or is there perhaps outside influences that the individual have no say at?
as I said, environmental factors of one's upbringing are indeed significant influence on an individuals life.
But I do not accept some sort of twisted "nobody is accountable for their beliefs uwu nobody has a choice in what they think or do owo"