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US women are being jailed for having miscarriages -BBC 2021 (www.bbc.com)

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[+] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works -23 points 1 year ago (41 children)

And there it is. This is the main reason I'm effectively pro-choice, while technically being pro-life.

In case anyone cares, here's my specific policy preferences:

women can never be charged with a crime for seeking an abortion - it's the woman's right to do with her body as she chooses
the government should not be involved at all while miscarriage risk is high (say, 20 weeks or so)
doctors should be the targets for any illegal abortion procedure, and medical data cannot be the subject of a subpoena (that would otherwise violate the women's privacy)
after the initial "hands off" period, doctors (or anyone other than the mother) could only be charged with a crime for knowingly performing an abortion illegally, and abortions would be allowed to preserve the mother's life or to euthanize the child if complications would be significant
if a mother decides to not keep the baby, the delivery should be performed as early as is safe, and the costs would be covered by the state

I'm okay with abortion being technically illegal, but the above would likely make it legal for all intents and purposes, and I'm okay with that.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Just say you hate women.

[–] ngdev@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah seems that way. People who think it's okay for abortion to be illegal, whatever concessions they make, all seem to fall into the same few camps. Hate women, don't understand the risks and long term effects of pregnancy on the human body, or don't understand that an abortion is almost never done on what's considered a baby. Generally a venn diagram that is almost an even circle.

[+] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You guys keep repeating that line when its obviously bullshit. It not about hating or controlling women, its obviously about believing the fetus has the right to protection. I just dont understand how you guys are falling for the line about wanting to control women.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would believe this more if the people who were prolife also believed in other socially progressive policies, but it seems their care and respect for the dignity of a human (or fetus in this case) ends after it’s born

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is another line that is wrong. I dont like "progressive policies" because they create slaves of the state and I emphatically disagree that they are actually helping the people they are supposed to be helping. The war on poverty would be the best example of this.

[–] xionzui@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Well, the alternative is slaves to corporations, which isn’t going so well. The only reason it’s not worse is government interventions. There is a significant percentage of the population that can’t fend for themselves or have little value to employers. Your approach basically condemns them to die or live in abject poverty. It also causes crime as they run out of other options. There’s no reason that a society with as much wealth as we have has to be this way. Everyone deserves to have at least food, shelter, medical care, and basic necessities. As technology advances, the share of the population with no value to employers is likely to grow significantly in the near future, so you may find yourself eating your words

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