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[-] schmidtster@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago

What’s the alternative for brain related experiments? Just not advance ever?

[-] inspxtr@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

I believe experiments like these should move slower and with more scrutiny. As in more animal testing before moving on to humans, esp. due to the controversies surrounding Neuralink’s last animal experiments.

[-] xxd@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 months ago

The least they should do is make sure no animal suffers needlessly and no more animals than necessary are used for testing. I don't have confidence in moral standards, when employees say the number of deaths is higher than needed because of demands of faster research.

Also there is some research on non-invasive ways to get signals from the brain. Why not try that before testing implants on animals?

[-] schmidtster@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Some people think 1 death is too many.

They did, it’s probably not as good tech, which is why they are looking for better….

[-] Kolrami@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Synchron has a similar technology and their death count appears to be lower than Neuralink's in animal trials. Unfortunately, this article doesn't actually show the death rate of the trials.

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Use a fucking EEG device, instead of opening their skulls and messing with their brains.

[-] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago
  1. You can in fact test many of these devices in mice and even zebrafish.

  2. You repeat testing in animals (with modifications) til it is actually safe or you at least understand what the risk is and how to mitigate it to tell the people who are going to trial it.

[-] schmidtster@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
  1. You can in fact test many of these devices in mice and even zebrafish.

So your solution to animal testing is other animal testing? Strange solution.

Nothing will ever be risk free, and most of the subjects stayed alive until euthanized to see the results. How else would you get the results?

[-] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago

Yes, but lower order animals. There are creatures with more or less intelligence and therefore more or less capacity of suffering.

Euthanasia is fine for an end point but as an implanted device is lifelong such a short time with the implant before sacrifice is not as useful as longer timepoints.

[-] schmidtster@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There are creatures with more or less intelligence and therefore more or less capacity of suffering.

…. So it’s okay to make less intelligent creatures suffer…? Intelligence has literally nothing to do with something’s capacity to suffer. Where the hell did you get that from? Let’s see some citations on that asinine claim lmfao.

You need data from every step of the way… so no…. Not at all.

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