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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by nutomic@lemmy.ml to c/lemmy@lemmy.ml

This site is currently struggling to handle the amount of new users. I have already upgraded the server, but it will go down regardless if half of Reddit tries to join.

However Lemmy is federated software, meaning you can interact seamlessly with communities on other instances like beehaw.org or lemmy.one. The documentation explains in more detail how this works. Use the instance list to find one where you can register. Then use the Community Browser to find interesting communities. Paste the community url into the search field to follow it.

You can help other Reddit refugees by inviting them to the same Lemmy instance where you joined. This way we can spread the load across many different servers. And users with similar interests will end up together on the same instances. Others on the same instance can also automatically see posts from all the communities that you follow.

Edit: If you moderate a large subreddit, do not link your users directly to lemmy.ml in your announcements. That way the server will only go down sooner.

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[-] zouhair@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago

This is one of the biggest hurdles to get into Lemmy. I consider myself quite tech savvy but I am at a stage of my life that I cannot read hundreds of page of documentation just to use a forum.

There need to be a way to seamlessly move people from instance to another without them having to do it themselves or at the least a way way shorter documentation that goes to the point in one page.

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[-] slashzero@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

First post for me!

Sorry, I applied and got approved here. Still waiting to hear back from beehaw…

I’m really digging this UI compared to Reddit, but I am 99.9% a mobile user via the native Reddit app (don’t @ me!)

I am very tempted to setup my own instance. Wondering what resource usage looks like for an instance.

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[-] ghostalmedia@beehaw.org 17 points 2 years ago

IMHO, selecting an instance is definitely the biggest user experience problem Lemmy has at the moment. New users who are unfamiliar with the platform are going to pick the biggest instances, and that's going to create performance problems.

We'll need to prioritize work on instance browsing. Lemmy has outgrown the experience over at join-lemmy.org. If I could wave a magic wand, instance browsing and onboarding would have a way to show instance capacity / performance, a way to categorize and filter instances, and a way to recommend instances based upon interests. That would probably help to spread people out more evenly.

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[-] radarsat1@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago

I would be happy to use another instance but my account is on this one. Is there a way to migrate an account, or perhaps "link" accounts on multiple instances somehow?

[-] TrippyTortuga@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

AFAICT no. There is an open issue on the Lemmy GitHub repo. In general, all ActivityPub services I've used have this same account stratification problem.

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[-] rusty_spoon@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago

I applied for a few other instances but this one came through first. Your downfall is being too good compared to the competition.

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[-] LibertyBeta@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago

If this is the Mastodon moment, ho boy. Don't envy the sysadmins.

[-] TheYang@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Is scaling the server a largely financial issue, or not? @nutomic@lemmy.ml

could you reasonably confidently say that you could 10x the amount of users for something like 1000$/mo on liberapay?
If so, would you mind setting a "goalpost" for the community to help lift the financial burden?

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[-] Gecko@feddit.de 13 points 2 years ago

You might wanna consider temporarily closing sign-up requests on lemmy.ml similarly to how mastodon.social did it during its large influx. Making a sign-up request and just receiving an infinite loading icon is a very frustrating experience.

Similarly, you want to make it as easy as possible to financially contribute to lemmy, even if it means using proprietary platforms like Patreon.

Overall, the current Reddit API change is probably one of the largest opportunities for lemmy right now, so smoothing over the user experience as fast as possible in the coming days will be of atmost importance if we want lemmy to become a viable Reddit alternative...

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago

lemmy.ml should be a roundrobin dns that sends you to a random instance in the pool. Or else you will re-centralize lemmy and curmble under the IT bill.

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[-] CanniBallistic_Puppy@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago

I like to call Lemmy "Feddit".

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[-] sunaurus@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If anybody else is lost and wants a basic general-purpose home for their account, https://lemm.ee is on good hardware and open for signups.

[-] bilb@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

I'm going to set up a general purpose instance tomorrow with the intention of handling a relatively large number of users. The main problem is choosing a domain!

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[-] erbs@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

I signed up on lemmy org uk originally (day or 2 ago) and now it seems to be gone. If I could have kept my account some how that would have been better, but here I am instead.

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[-] ilikebagels@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

I just created https://lemmy.film if that would be useful for anyone.

[-] Technoguyfication@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

This is inevitable if feddit is going to become mainstream. People have a herd mentality, if Lemmy is going to become popular there will always be a handful of instances that are much more popular than the others. These popular instances will need to scale (both vertically and horizontally) while the smaller instances will probably keep getting by with a single server. This is the same way email providers work, half the people I know use gmail, and most of the others use another large provider like yahoo or hotmail. It's just the way this is going to have to work. People want to join an instance with their friends, even if they're all federated together. They want to know that the instance they sign up for has peer approval and it's already a tried and trusted one.

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[-] mook@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

I applied for behaw about 24 hours ago without response nor success logging in. Wondering if they have temporarily suspended applications?

[-] slashzero@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Same here! I was starting to think my application was rejected. So I signed up here on lemmy.ml and was approved fairly quickly.

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[-] Zagaroth@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

So, might I recommend having a button on the top bar that shows us the instances we've subscribed to, and maybe a quick link to the list of available instances? People like easy navigation, having to do multiple bookmarks or navigate through finding a link to the list of servers is not easy navigation.

[-] anji@lemmy.anji.nl 9 points 2 years ago

Sadly, I feel like the Fediverse, based on ActivityPub, was fundamentally designed wrong for scaling potential. I do like Fedi and I like ActivityPub, but I think instances should not have to be responsible for all of this:

  • Owning user accounts
  • Exclusively host communities
  • Serving local and remote users webpages and media
  • Never going down, as this results in users and content becoming unavailable

Because servers "own" the user accounts and communities it's not trivial for users to switch to a different instance, and as instances scale their costs go up slightly exponentially.

I wish the Fediverse from the beginning was a truly distributed content replication platform, usenet-style or Matrix-style, and every instance would add additional capacity to the network instead of hosting specific communities or users.

I guess it's a bit too late for a redesign now... Perhaps decentralized identifiers will take us there in some form in the future.

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[-] Neptune014@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

For non technical users, the idea of instances can be a very confusing concept (the email analogy is a good one but its still confusing for people). I know you guys have a lot on your plate in terms of development wise, however I hope that prioritizing keeping lemmy.ml up is high up there. I say this because its the instance that most users from Reddit will flock to. And the last thing they need is to create an account then have the site go down for 6 hours. I havent experienced it going down. Although hopefully you have a backup site for when it does (what I mean is just a page that says your down/your working on fixing it... Try these instances instead.)

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[-] zeerooth@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 8 points 2 years ago

I've made https://lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz/ to help take off some of that load. New registrations are welcomed and it should be maintained for a very very long time 🎂

[-] pleasemakesense@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

Would be really nice if on the instance page you could have some extra information admins could fill in like max capacity and such, think that people would be more inclined to choose other instances if they could see how close the instance is to the approximate member limit

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[-] eternaldeiwos@lm.qtt.no 8 points 2 years ago

@nutomic@lemmy.ml what kind of hosting do you guys use for lemmy.ml? At the time of writing it looks like you have around 33k users and around 2k active. What does that look like for resources consumed?

[-] TrippyTortuga@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It seems like a common issue among ActivityPub services that people flock to the most popular instance and this causes problems. Why can't load balancing happen transparently? It seems like the main thing that actually makes a difference between which instance users want to join is what the moderation will be like. Like I don't want to be forced to sign up for an instance with a high amount of censorship compared to the rest of instances.

So maybe user registration should start from a centralized site that can describe the trade-offs of joining the various instances, and users don't get to select their specific instance by default, but rather they select based on a loose moderation policy, and then load-balancing occurs on the backend.

EDIT: I also want to be able to migrate between instances without losing my community subscriptions.

[-] grant@toast.ooo 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

https://toast.ooo is accepting registrations 🎉

[-] maltfield@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

At what point do you plan to close this instance to new users?

[-] aksdb@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago

I think lemmy will be bitten in the ass by not having considered clustering/horizontal scaling from the start. Federation alone as a scaling mechanism is only feasible for "nerds". But if the network wants to grow, we will need a few scale-able large hosted instances. And if their only choice is to scale vertically, there will be a hard limit (unless we put a good old Mainframe somewhere ^^).

Another downside of this design is: you can't run it with high availability. If there's only one process per instance, updating it will mean the whole instance is down. Sure, if all goes well this downtime is under a second. But if it doesn't go well or if a migration is needed, this might quickly become hours.

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[-] jarwinder@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

is it possible to move an existing profile to a new server, like on Mastodon? or I need to create a new one and "start over"?

[-] Barbarian@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Right now, there is no import/export. It's a known useful feature, but the devs have no time to work on it (I've been following all the optimization work they've been doing on github, I don't know if they sleep). You'll have to start over atm, sorry.

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[-] OhSnapKracklePopped@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

I was approved for both lemmy.ml and Beehaw. I kind of got into a groove on Beehaw and tried to delete Lemmy.ml, but it wouldn’t let me. Is that going to create any problems if I just stay signed off?

[-] Barbarian@lemmy.reckless.dev 8 points 2 years ago

Nope, none at all. A signed off user is one that's not causing server load :P

[-] NotGary@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Being new to federated communities, this is good info! I’m also registered on both and hoping I wasn’t causing problems. Glad to hear it’s only when I log in :P

[-] kunday@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

New user,how do I donate / tip to help you peeps cover server costs? It wasn't directly obvious how to do it; apologize if it's a big button right on a page that I missed.

[-] nutomic@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago
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[-] Copio@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Over at https://join-lemmy.org/ , when someone clicked on "Join a Server", they are presented with a list of instances, it's not that obvious that these are cross-accessible (yes, the homepage mentioned it, but not here), and people are bound to look for one with the most users.

Perhaps, add a simple TLI5 explanation/diagram explaining how Lemmy works on https://join-lemmy.org/instances .

(The documents are also too wordy for most people to care.)

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[-] ruud@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Lemmy.world is a new server, accepting signups. You're welcome there.

[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

@nutomic@lemmy.ml It might be a good idea to default the Communities page to All instead of Local, to help push users into discovering other instances and promote them.

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[-] papasfritas@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

is there some kind of status page to have a look at and see how things are going? I cannot make any comments to a specific community at the moment and wondering why.

EDIT: Figured it out, when I tried to leave a comment via Jerboa I got an error "Language not allowed" and so I selected a language on the desktop site and then my comment went through. Note that this error does not appear on desktop site so I had no idea what was going on and why my comment was not going through

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