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in what ways do you think kbin should strive to be different from Reddit?

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[–] MeccAnon@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (19 children)

This might be an unpopular opinion, but karma/reputation points. It only encourages hivemind and echo chambers. I'm ok with thread-specific points so that content can be ranked, but that's it.

[–] termagant@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Yes, karma farming just encouraged reposting of popular posts. I can't stand seeing the same thing over and over again- across and in the same subs.

[–] DreamySweet@exploding-heads.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I agree with this. Fake internet points ruin the internet.

[–] NumbersCanBeFun@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

But how will I feed my endless addiction to numbers?

[–] DreamySweet@exploding-heads.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] NumbersCanBeFun@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

This is actually pretty neat. Thank you!

[–] thehatfox@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

With hobbies involve lots of data. Anything with an excuse to make a spreadsheet or Grafana dashboard. My latest one is home weather monitoring.

Or if you just want to see a number get bigger, Cookie Clicker is a surprisingly deep distraction.

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[–] arth@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Agreed. This place shouldn't be a popularity contest.

[–] WorriedGnome@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@arth or a race to the top with the wittiest one liner. Or a serious thread just consisting of one liners. I've loved kbin for how verbose people can be on here, really getting into the spirit of discussing and debating. Proper conversations, not just pun after pun

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[–] Spiracle@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

There are some basic use-cases, imho. Quite a few subs required a minimum level of karma, age, and perhaps activity to reduce spammers.

I see no reason to track karma above 1000 or so, though. Even the most choosy subs never asked for that much karma, so I assume that should be fine.

[–] mukt@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

No karma tracking above 1000 karma. Just display karma as "1000+" and that's it.

[–] exscape@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Well, there are some, like /r/SupremeClub that requires 100 000 comment karma. Of course that's the entire point of the sub.

[–] Andreas@feddit.dk 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The karma system was not even effective against spammers, while it did block out genuine new accounts and people with unpopular opinions. Bots would just repost popular posts and comments to farm karma and bypass the restrictions.

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[–] LinusWorks4Mo@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

agree totally, the constant reposting to karma farm was one of the biggest annoyances

[–] 0xtero@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Yep this ^

The comment/article up/downvote functions combined with personal filters/ban/blacklist tools is all that's needed. Some kind of strange "karma" or global reputation over time is the detrimental to the site and discussions and encourages bandwagoning users.

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[–] TheAngryBad@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Karma scores - on an account level at least. Up/down votes on a post or comment are fine and make sense, pushing bad replies down and the best, most thoughtful stuff to the top.

But a system where accounts can build up a karma/reputation score just leads to karma whoring comments just intended to gain upvotes and adding little to the conversation. Or worse, repost bots just reposting whatever was popular last week to gain karma. Reddit's been plagued with it for years and it just makes the whole place seem spammy and low quality.

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Exactly. Comments and posts/threads should have up and down votes, but those should not accumulate on an account like Karma does.

It gets people used to the idea that the more points a person has, clearly the better quality their account must be, when in reality Karma could be easily accumulated by exploiting lurkers with cute animal photos or generic/milquetoast opinion pieces literally nobody could disagree with.

Edit: milquetoast not milktoast

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[–] 1a@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Reddit Karma exists to get a score of 1000000, at which point the account is worth serious money on the black market. With a Karma of 1000000, all banned subs and moderated/deleted content is visible. It's the world's biggest CP operation operating in plain sight. Always has had that reputation, but nothing ever changed.

[–] unomas@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

I don't want gold coins, snoovatars, chat rooms, and any of the nonsense that they created over the past 5 years.

[–] NotInTheFace@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Live threads...

[–] --@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Awards. I just think they're unnecessary for an internet forum.

[–] AwkwardPenguin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Or just improve on the awards system and make it shared donations between the instance owner and app developer. The more usage, the higher contributions probably.

[–] sergiu@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They could be a better revenue source than ads, I believe.

[–] janWilejan@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

other parts of the fediverse have emoji reactions already. you can emoji react to kbin posts from elsewhere, but it doesn't show up on kbin.

this means that kbin may eventually get something like Awards, but if they use the same APIs as emoji reactions, they won't be paid.

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[–] lavender@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Anything they force upon you in new Reddit. Compare old to new, and you see that the same amount of page nets you a third of the content. So much bloat. Profile pictures are nice, tags and flairs are nice, but any of the crap they introduced to make things more like Facebook and Twitter can go right in the bin.

[–] ittu@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

profile pictures. it can lead to bias and even be used as a vehicle for propaganda.

there should at least be an option to hide them.

[–] Lazycog@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Don't know if you mean that profile pictures hiding should be a magazine specific setting, but you personally can hide profile pictures (and magazine logos) in your side bar settings.

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[–] lunar_parking@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Propaganda??? I personally like pfps/avatars and think they're an important part of any traditional forum. Identity is important in communities and I think they help facilitate that. I just wish that I could adjust the size of the on Kbin because they're way too small for me. 🥲 But you should always have the option to hide them as well.

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[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago

Was super annoying to have them on reddit, glad one can disable it here.

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[–] NecoArcKbinAccount@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Chat feature, reddit snoo avatar crap, overdoing it with hundreds of different pointless awards, and inline gifs. (yes I know you can put in images but so far everyone is using them sparingly, and even then i think kbin's UI can handle them better than reddit did).

[–] AnonymousLlama@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I never liked the auto-banning feature Reddit had where if you join X subreddit you get a ban from Y subreddit. Dogshit auto moderation like that needs to stay on Reddit tbh

[–] vkeycaps@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Well, I think it's already here but with instances

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[–] Teon@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

I am glad we have normal text formatting here.
Return, means, new line!!!
Also, it's nice to be away from so many useless unhelpful bots. If I wanted to post a Wikipedia synapses, I would have.

[–] hudejo@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

All the new crap that theyve added in the last 3-5 years. Chat, spamming me with "recommended" reddits, constantly asking for my interests, slow as hell site, avatars, NFTs,..

[–] brownpaperbag@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Relay and old.reddit really kept me sheltered. I knew chat was a thing but I managed to avoid the rest. That all sounds awful.

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[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Don't forget at one point they wanted to copy Clubhouse too!

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