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submitted 1 year ago by snipeftw@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

I myself am really on the fence about this.

I hate what Reddit has done, as I was removed as a moderator on my sub. But I much prefer the UI to Lemmy so far. I’m also having a hard time understanding how this all works. I was familiar with Reddit, and it is obviously a way more active community.

But I also used Apollo and hate how they’ve done him so dirty.

Will you guys return if Reddit rights it’s wrongs?

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[-] Chronic_Intermission@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I don't plan on going back to Reddit in a major way. After giving Reddit up, I find myself thinking over my experience on that site for the last few years. Engaging commentary was harder and harder to find, particularly in any sub of sufficient size, and I spent a lot of my scrolling through Reddit angry. Leaving Reddit has been a wake up call for me. It's a rat race on Reddit, and I don't need that in my life anymore.

sadly... yes. I'm just not finding the community here that I built up there over 11 years. I know, I know, give this 11 years and we'll get there, too... but it's still over there.

I did the whole "delete all comments and posts and replace with the API reasoning text" thing, for my main and my few alts. BUt I find I still am heading over there on browser through old.reddit and lurking.

[-] Kelsenellenelvial@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Same. I might stick around both for a while and see how it goes since I see big benefits and big drawbacks on both platforms. Same idea as why I use Plex instead of Jellyfin in that as much as I want to support open source projects, and am willing to pay a moderate amount to do that, the commercial platforms usually just have a better finish and feature set, as well as a simpler interface for people that don’t live in the tech world.

That said, there’s maybe a dozen subreddits that I really care about, so if those communities came over I’d probably follow. Most of those aren’t populated by the kinds of tech enthusiasts that are looking for an open-source/distributed/etc. model, they’re people that just want to be able to talk about their niche hobbies or connect with others in their industry, regardless of what the back-end looks like. Honestly, I’d even be okay paying a reasonable amount to stick with Reddit(as it was last month, maybe not as it is today), it sounds like they just need to be more open to finding a solution that’s reasonable for the third party app developers instead of just laying down the hammer and them plugging their ears. Problem there though is I suspect the people that I like to engage with on Reddit aren’t the ones making a big impact on Reddit’s revenue. I suspect Reddit can go ahead and lose those high engagement users and still make bank on ad impressions from front-page lurkers, and that’s why they’re not looking to play ball.

[-] downtide@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Only if Spez leaves and is replaced by a decent CEO who reverses EVERYTHING that Spez has effed up in the past few years. I'd return for some small niche communities I participate on that aren't present in the lemmy-verse (yet). But I'd stay here too. I am committed to Federated services now.

[-] OverfedRaccoon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Spez is doubling down. He's shown his hand. He's lied. It's like watching Anakin's descent to the dark side. He's too far gone.

I don't really think there is a going back. The watering hole is poisoned. There's no more good faith. And, I think for a lot people, especially people here, it's a matter of principle at this point.

I might check in on certain niche subs that don't move on to other platforms, but the days of gleefully doomsctolling are over.

[-] mintberrycrunch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

IMO the response was even worse than the initial change. That is what put it over for me.

[-] EthanolParty 4 points 1 year ago

I hate to be the one to go against the grain here, but yeah I would. I mean, I'd try to continue posting here as much as possible, but there are at least a few communities that I'd probably fall back to Reddit for. Reddit's popularity means there's active discussion on some surprisingly niche topics. Like, there's an active Sumo wrestling sub. There isn't a community here for that, and even if I made one (which I don't want to do because I don't want to moderate) it would just be me screaming into the void.

And I don't think that's going to be a concern anyway. There's no sign they're going to backtrack on anything, in fact they just keep doubling down.

[-] IanM32@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I'm keeping my account live so that I can still interact and ask questions in threads when I get taken there by search results. Reddit ultimately shows up a lot when looking for solutions to technical problems.

As far as browsing and contributing, I think I'm sticking with Lemmy. Things are just starting to get good.

[-] Monkeyhog@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Nope, I've already deleted all of my comments and posts on a 10+ year old account. They can go straight to hell. Fuck them.

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

If RIF survives or returns, then I will probably go back to reddit occasionally. But I haven't missed it since the blackout, so I will probably only use it for a reference and not a community to comment in.

[-] Haily@rblind.com 3 points 1 year ago

Nope. Not a chance. I have no love for giant corporations, and Reddit has always been particularly shit even by that standard. Say what you want about the evils of Meta / Google / Apple, ETC ETC ETC, but at least they generally try to keep their users happy, or at least using their platforms. Reddit just seem to have absolutely no idea what their users want half the time, Reddit premium anyone? The way they handled, or rather failed to handle, the accessibility issue also leaves a rather bitter taste in my mouth.

[-] happyhippo@feddit.it 3 points 1 year ago

Nope, my account is gone and so are my comments.

I'm done with reddit.

Either Lemmy takes off, or I may start reading more in my free time...

[-] ilickfrogs@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Up until 3rd party app devs announced they're converting their apps to Lemmy? Yes.

Now, absolutely the fuck not. Reddit is a cesspool compared to when I first joined in 2013. Lemmy feels a lot more like reddit did then. It's quaint and cozy here. Yes I'd like to see this place grow some more. But 1/10th the size of reddit would be plenty. Most reddit users don't contribute anything useful anyways so no loss there.

[-] DrPop@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

The culture is so different. I'm glad Reddit made space for so many different people. But the changes to make it more ad friendly sucks. Also seeing pop culture stuff reach the top regularly is annoying I don't care about celebrities.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago

Definitely not. Even if I get luke-warm on lemmy, Huffman has shown a complete disregard to the community and has completely pivoted to building the business. As soon as they introduced New reddit and bought AlienBlue, the writing was already on the wall.

I'm not sure if lemmy/the fediverse has the legs to keep the community going indefinitely (i was around when Voat was absorbing the last reddit exodus, i'm hoping lemmy has more legs than that), but I think i'm done with these for-profit social media sites. Youtube is the last one (for me) that hasn't burned that bridge, but I'm not a contributor there anyway. For being a link-aggregation website though, I feel like federations are a perfect fit.

I'm old enough now that I can see myself not using social media at all.... Jesus how did I get so old. Time to go buy a Miata and some aviators.

[-] t_378@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not sure if lemmy/the fediverse has the legs to keep the community going indefinitely (i was around when Voat was absorbing the last reddit exodus, i'm hoping lemmy has more legs than that), but I think i'm done with these for-profit social media sites.

What I'm hoping for, is that a portion of people that care and come to Lemmy stick with it, and those people that aren't at all concerned with Reddits's business dealings stick with Reddit. It gives each community a chance to develop it's own voice, which is how it was before the major centralization of the web.

I guess what I'm saying is, even if Lemmy doesn't beat Reddit into the ground, Lemmy can still win in it's own way.

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[-] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 3 points 1 year ago

https://static.xtremeownage.com/blog/2023/what-happened-to-reddit/

100% fuck u/spez.

They have messed up pretty badly, and anyone who still trusts them, is wearing a blindfold.

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure. I think I want to stay here.

[-] Grant@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Fuck spez. Even if they reversed their decision, they have made it very clear how much they will take control if they don't get their way. They have repeatedly mistreated the mods, devs, and community. They slandered a man with lies that could end his career because of why? To gain social points?

Spez has shown what reddit really is and I am done

[-] 640kb@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

My sentiments exactly. I wonder what it's like for the reddit staff to work with such a gaslighting, condescending and deceitful boss.

We owe the Apollo dev a lot for shining a bright light at the leadership of reddit and specifically /u/spez.

[-] xargs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is the most degen reason to give, but the likelihood is I would go back. Lemmy is solid though there's a couple of things that make me wonder if it's worth fully commiting.

a) Userbase. If reddit went back, subreddits would likely reopen, change their rules back to how they were before, and therefore the numbers would follow.

b) Centralised. I know this one will piss people off, but the fragmentation of lemmy is a bit too much. I have the option to put all my trust into a single account on one instance and subscribe fedarated if instances support it, or I can create 20 different accounts across different instances.

c) Retention of userstats. While I've not got rediculous amounts of karma like some people do, I have a a little bit, and rebuilding that is a bit ass.

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[-] Gsicht@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Damn redditors... They ruined reddit!

[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Hell no.

My issues with Reddit boil down to three: the admins, the mods, and the users. (Note: this is coming from a former Reddit user and mod.) Even if the admins turn 180°, the other two issues remain.

[-] Octospider@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

No. It's a pain in the butt to migrate from Reddit, but it's a blessing in disguise. The decentralized approach is much better and more future proof against bad actors. Having 1 site (or person) holdng all the cards is not something that should appeal to anyone.

[-] kinther@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

At this point, no.

[-] nectroxt@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

I think reddit model should be as a non profit org., something like wikipedia. No ads, no selling or trying to monetize user data, or being hostage to its investors whims. That would require a complete change of management. Only then I would think about going back.

[-] Sirobin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No. It would be different if they just killed third party apps (with appropriate notice) and like, I would be upset, since Apollo is genuinely one of the best pieces of software I've ever used, but I would just use old Reddit on my phone like I do with my computer, and it would be fine. But the outright hostility spez has shown for users means I will never post there again, and I'm signed out unless I need to find something on my account. The final straw was spez's response to the blackouts, which I would summarize as "Once they get over their little temper tantrum, they'll come crawling back to us." It was condescending, insulting, and frankly infuriating. He can't even pay lip service to the most dedicated members of the site, so god knows what he's saying in private. Why on earth should we spend any time on a site who's leadership so clearly despises us?

[-] SHamblingSHapes@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

I'm done. I moderated a very small, niche hobby sub for a bit over three years. The size and niche-ness kept it fairly well insulated from the worst online behaviors, but it's been shifting this year. I have been seeing more and more users posting to the sub for the first time, simply pushing their content creator/influencer material on Insta and Youtube. Their posts are only vaguely related to the sub topic, and they never stick around to have meaningful conversations in the comments of their posts. When they violate the sub rules, I have a policy of warning once and removing only if they don't respond within 24 hours. But even with a 24 hour warning, people get NASTY.

I modded the community for the benefit of others. With the shift in sub demographics and reddit sweeping my legs out from under me in terms of mod tools that allow me to keep control of the sub, I'm done. I can't keep it shaped into the community the original members want. They're frustrated. I'm frustrated. It's no longer fun or fulfilling. Someone who wants to keep the sub aligned with the wants of the new content creator/influencer demographics are welcome to it. Personally, I think a sub of people advertising their channels elsewhere is worthless.

[-] megane_kun@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

No.

Way too much trust has been lost for me to even consider going back to that place.

Even if they completely remove and ban Steve Huffman and his family, fiends or even acquaintances from any and all company and/or subcontracted positions, completely overhaul all their positions and replace them with trustworthy people (sucks to be them, but they know what they're getting into), add all the requested features overnight including and especially the accessibility features... I still won't consider going back to them.

They will need to exert a huge amount good faith effort over a span of a decade to earn back my trust, if they're at all capable of doing things in good faith.

[-] AnonTwo@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I'd probably go to my hobby subreddits and ignore /all

And then i'd also check the fediverse's site to see if they have anything different.

I'd imagine the content would grow more and more over time until either things went back to the way they were or reddit no longer had anything worth visiting for.

[-] ContentSpy@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

No. I like it much better here

[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Lemmy will continue to improve and Reddit will flush itself further down the toilet.

[-] lauha@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

I don't use Reddit on my computer, only browse it using RIF and my reddit usage will stop when the RIF stops working.

[-] hey_frankie@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Not me. For me it's half a matter of principle, but I'm also liking the fact that I don't waste as much time doomscrolling

[-] pumpkin@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Short: No

Long: Theoretically yes, but they'd need to completely change leadership and also give up any notion of going public and instead transition to a non-profit. I dont think they can be working for the community while chasing profits. They have been trying to exploit users for profit rather than work with them.

That reddit could see me return, but at that point it'd be a very different situation and a very different reddit. I don't think we'll ever see it happen.

[-] Grimlo9ic@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I have exactly the same thoughts. Hell no, and then a maybe combined with a long list of conditions that are as realistic as the API usage prices Reddit expects 3rd party devs to pay for.

[-] Tilted@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Not planning to return. Lemmy feels good to me. Happy to be here.

[-] Belligerentzucchini@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I don’t think I will. I’m not fully moved over - I’ll use Apollo and if/whenthat goes away, then I’m done with Reddit. I’m having a harder time navigating lemmy and getting used to the concept, but it’s also kinda exciting. I remember joining Reddit in ‘09 and it was a similar feel, but this is better. So I think under most circumstances, unless they like get rid of apex and make some serious amends to some others, I won’t go back.

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[-] keeb420@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

not at this point. spaz has been very stupid in how hes handled this. im not saying i wont go back but itll be a while and take a serious mea culpa.

Nope, being an open source and privacy zealot I wanted to switch to Lemmy well before anyone cared about it. But I deleted my account because it had like twenty active people on it at most. Now that it's gaining users I'm definitely staying. I wasn't very active on Reddit for quite a while anyway, discussion grew repetitive.

[-] SustainedChaos@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Reddit is no longer showing on my computer. Something about /etc/hosts. Can’t imagine how that happened.

[-] beto@lemmy.studio 2 points 1 year ago

I installed a Firefox extension that redirects any reddit.com link to my Lemmy instance.

[-] Bishma@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

If Kbin and Lemmy keep being this active I'm sticking around here. I'm really enjoying it at this level. More so than Reddit. But if this place dies AND Reddit is less scummy for a while, I might go back.

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