Aye

Aye.

At best it's clickbait trash. At worst it's the garbage OP highlighted.

Aye. Looks like this instance is not very nice.

Aye

Going forward, will be necessary to articulate standards and processes for defederation, to avoid having to relitigate the concepts of free speech, hate speech, etc. every time.

~~Overall~~ Aye, but I'd like to see some incriminating evidence of what we'd be blocking as an explanation and a warning before we do it. Pics, text posts can be banned and deleted.

Edit: Aye

Nay

if this becomes a problem we can still deal with it. But at this moment, i never came across gross content from their instance (apart from this discussion), nor did i encounter users from this instance being annoying.

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This may be inaccurate as I am not yet familiar with how the Federation works:

They build a village where they can behave however they want, so as long as they don't do it in our village, or do it to an annoying extent in neighbouring villages that we both visit, I don't see any need for action.

Just don't visit them.

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Lastly, we should really work out the details of the voting mechanism before voting on such topics

Nay

I am going to say Nay because I haven't seen any of this content organically surfaced to me, and I browse all > new all the time. In fact Im on lemmy a lot right now. That says to me that the fediverse community is doing a good job of downvoting this content.

My fear is that this style of argument will be used to censor any community that has enough motivated haters, thus anything controversial. Going over to a community and finding bad examples of behavior is going to be possible on nearly every federated instance. I bet I could do it with this instance, in fact.

I am open to changing my view if people can point me to a style of browsing lemmy that is organically surfacing this content a lot. I understand that over time we may identify certain instances that are really just troll farms. I just feel its too soon to be doing this and that the response is a sledgehammer against a fly.

Nay

Block them yourself. Defederation is against the principles of the fediverde. If you are looking for an instance that is more isolated, look into Beehaw.org.

Nay. You're gonna encounter these people IRL. It's better to prepare yourself in a low stake environment like an internet forum.

Nay

Could we have some links to examples so everyone can get an informed view of the kind of content you're talking about? I don't browse that instance normally.

Nay (for now)

My mind could be changed very easily on this in the future, especially if they get bigger. But in my opinion defederation should be treated as the "nuclear option" for an instance of our size, and a handful of bigots aren't enough for me to want to push the Big Red Button unless they start trouble for us.

Nay! This is arbitrary censorship of an entire instance because they host content that disagrees with you. The support for such a measure here is more disturbing than the content itself.

As far as I know the whole concept of agora was just announced yesterday, and now we are saying that entire instances can be defederated based on a vote ( with no rules defined for when the vote ends or how votes are tallied ).

This is ridiculous and dangerous. This is poorly thought out. Above all, this is a terrible precedent. That any motivated group of users can go to an instance, clip some pics of bad behavior, create a thread and then spam it with 'aye' votes and close the vote whenever they please, and that result in the cutting off of an entire instance? Not even a freaking poll?

Please consider withdrawing this until the rules of agora voting are clearer.

Aye

As another user said, hate speech is not free speech. And associating with an instance such as that one could even have legal implications for @TheDude in the future.

Edit: Typo

Nay

Nay.

Nay. I believe in Free Speech and do not think we should ban any group unless they are doing illegal acts.

Given the examples, aye

If you hate free speech, hate your own first and foremost and shut up.