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submitted 6 days ago by Dop@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

Hi,

A friend wants to degoogle his phone, so I suggested the OS I'm currently using. The one we can't talk about... He wants a small/compact phone, so I suggested pixel 4a (not buying second hand though), but I'm afraid that planned obsolescence may kill the phone rather soon. What's your opinion?

Cheers and thank you for your help,

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[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 47 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yes, that is too old for a new phone considering it's already past its end-of-life for both official support and your OS. I'm not sure why you'd recommend them to buy new either - a phone like that is only going to be good value if you pick up a used one for cheap. A new model will be massively overpriced for what it is (and may not even be new, just refurbished and repackaged).

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[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 days ago

I think it's a bit too old, if you want to stay in the pixel ecosystem maybe try to grab a 6, 6a or 6 pro. They are around $250, and they are great!

[-] qaz@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

I recently got a 6a to replace my iPhone SE for €160 and it's been working great.

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago
[-] Titou@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 days ago

The one we can't talk about...

I don't get it ? Why can't we say it's name ?

[-] StormWalker@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago

Because GrapheneOS is a debatable triggering subject for some people. Basically the OS itself is amazing and very good. But the project leader is apparently arrogant and offensive. And offended a load of big known online personalities. Apparently he says his OS is the best and better then everyone else etc etc. So the question is: do you use and support a project where the product itself is amazing and just what the world needs, but where the project leader is offensive? Some say yes, some say no. = Controversial subject.

Personally I use GrapheneOS because I need a good camera and I like having a flagship modern phone. Currently I'm using a Pixel 7 Pro. I also like the privacy and security features that graphene offer. I don't see another project out there that can offer me the same. The product is good.

[-] Titou@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

But the project leader is apparently arrogant and offensive.

"apparently"

[-] StormWalker@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Well yes exactly. It's all just big personalities online that say that these things happened. Who knows really what the guy is like. A few big names online say these things about him, but I personally have never had any Interaction with him. So it could all be true, or partly true, or not at all. I guess no smoke without fire.. but there is always 2 sides to every story.

[-] ben_dover@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

4a is end of life already, so no firmware updates from Google. GrapheneOS has legacy builds available for it but doesn't recommend using them, and they might go away anytime soon

get a used device which is still properly supported, don't buy brand new e-waste

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 days ago

You could just jot use Graphene OS. They create ewaste just as much as Android. Lineage OS will run on 8 year old phones.

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[-] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 6 days ago

What's the OS we can't talk about?

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 36 points 6 days ago
[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 13 points 6 days ago

We don't talk about Hannah Montana Android.

[-] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

We sing about Hannah Montana android

[-] Grippler@feddit.dk 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

To be more helpful than the joke comments you've received so far, it's graphene OS that's causing a lot of controversy.

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[-] Certainly_No_Brit@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The Google Pixel 4a is officially end-of-life and doesn't get any software and security updates anymore (https://endoflife.date/pixel).

[-] scrooge101@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

CalyxOS still provides extended support for Pixel 4a until August 2024.

[-] mnmalst@lemmy.zip 9 points 5 days ago

FYI: "Extended support" from a custom rom means the OS level software gets updated, not the device firmware. So you still end up with a not fully up to date phone.

Written from my Pxiel 4a. :)

[-] AnxiousDuck@feddit.it 4 points 5 days ago

Can someone explain to me under what circumstances would using an old phone be risky (under a common reasonable threat model)?

[-] tty5@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

No security fixes once the device reaches end of life. For pixel 4a end of security updates was 10 months ago. That mostly is a problem with malicious apps - there were some privilege escalation bugs in those 10 months - but sometimes you get a banger that can get exploited by simply loading a page or opening an image.

[-] AnxiousDuck@feddit.it 2 points 4 days ago

I get it about malicious apps but what about just using mainstream apps and surfing the web with adblockers?

[-] ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

Wouldn't those be typically handled at an OS level? If you're using an OS that actually gets updates, you're only vulnerable to attacks at the kernel or driver level

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[-] cradac@feddit.de 11 points 6 days ago

I'm using a 4a right now which I bought last year, refurbished. It's a great phone and has a headphone jack. If you're concerend about updates, install an alternative OS. If you want to degoogle that should be the path anyway.

[-] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

I bought a used Pixel 5 in Feb for my daily driver. Replaced my Pixel 3 only because the power button was flaky. They both still run great. By my standards, getting two years out of a phone I paid $150 for is better than getting three years out of a $700 phone.

[-] eugenia@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago

You can install LineageOS or e/OS on it (instead of Graphene, if that's too controversial), and then the 4a is a good phone to use.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 7 points 6 days ago

Yes, it's too old. Does not receive software updates anymore. The newer a-series of phones are still quite a bit larger than the 4a but also quite a bit smaller than the 8 or especially 8 "Pro" or whatever the fuck stupid name they're giving phones these days.

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