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Firefox is just another US-corporate product with an 'open source' sticker on it. (media.mstdn.social)
submitted 1 month ago by Lokjo@mstdn.social to c/librewolf@lemmy.ml
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Firefox is just another US-corporate product with an 'open source' sticker on it.

Their version 128 update has auto checked a new little privacy breach setting.

If you still use a corporate browser, at least do some safety version! We mainly use @librewolf based on firefox. (yes, we know, a stable european or even non-US browser is still considered 'futuristic' in europe)

#eu #browser #firefox #meh

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[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You're going to be tracked regardless if this enabled or disabled. It doesn't matter what web browser you use.

[-] wouldinotcallmyselfahumanbeing@zirk.us 4 points 1 month ago

@9tr6gyp3
yeah yeah and everybody dies so love nothing, very edgy

[-] bobylein@troet.cafe 0 points 1 month ago

@9tr6gyp3 @Lokjo

So what does this have to do with firefox setting it to enabled by default?

[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

This is one of those features that should be ON by default. If its OFF by default, then this wont be adopted by advertisers, thus letting the internet continue down its dark, invasive, malicious path. Firefox is taking a chance here at making the entire internet better than it was before.

Those that are upset by this feature being enabled by default have the right to be upset about it. Totally fine with that, and I get it. I just think its also fine that Mozilla inconvenienced those people in order to push this. They could have communicated it more clearly than they did, but overall, this seems like a tool that I hope advertisers can get behind rather than the aggressive tracking methods they currently deploy.

[-] dragonsidedd@sciencemastodon.com -1 points 1 month ago

@9tr6gyp3 @Lokjo Web browser is one important part of a privacy environment

[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

This wont make your browsing anymore private than it already is or not. This is just telling advertisers to back off and accept that this is the only data you're going to get willingly, and its nothing that can fingerprint you individually.

[-] dragonsidedd@sciencemastodon.com 0 points 1 month ago

@9tr6gyp3 ABP by default does a lot.

But unless you’re using Tor browser bundle… actually yes, you almost certainly *are* fingerprintable individually.

https://www.amiunique.org/

[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Im talking about this new feature specifically, not in general. Thanks for the overview though.

[-] jackemled@furry.engineer -2 points 1 month ago

@9tr6gyp3 @Lokjo Ok and? You're going to die regardless of how many "life extending" snake oils you rub on your skin & no matter how healthy you are. Should you just rot away now or should you keep living? I think I should continue blocking ads & tracking, I benefit from blocking them by using less bandwidth & loading pages in a quarter of the time.

[-] jackemled@furry.engineer 0 points 1 month ago

@9tr6gyp3 @Lokjo I realize this is a troll account, but I still think this is something that needs to be said because this is an argument I've seen people genuinely believe.

[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

They can believe what they wish. This doesn't add or reduce any advertisements that show up. This only gives advertisers anonymized data instead of advertisers using very invasive and possibly malicious methods of tracking. If they read any of the documentation for this, they could help themselves understand what its for.

[-] jackemled@furry.engineer 2 points 1 month ago

@9tr6gyp3 Anonymous data is a myth & I also see zero ads. Adblock blocks ads from loading, or even being requested in the first place.

[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Source for how this anonymization is a myth?

[-] jackemled@furry.engineer -1 points 1 month ago

@9tr6gyp3 I'm not responding to argue with you, I'm responding because these are things I've seen people be serious about, even though it's clear you're not. I think I've covered everything so I'm done. This was never to give you any attention, I don't like trolls because they're annoying, & your account looks like a bizarre mix of trolling & genuine interaction to me, like one of those Reddit kids you see screenshots of in quityourbullshit that doesn't know other people can see their post history.

[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I know its tough to source something that says that this new Firefox anonymization tool for advertisers will individually fingerprint someone, but if you find it, please share it and I will gladly read through it.

Have a good day.

[-] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Another reminder that the Mozilla Foundation has no members and is controlled wholly by the board of directors for the Mozilla corp. https://hacktivis.me/articles/mozilla-foundation-has-no-members

[-] camille@social.praxis.nyc 0 points 1 month ago

@als
Foundations are not membership organizations. They are fiduciaries for funds that may award money to membership organizations.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_(nonprofit)

@Lokjo

[-] camille@social.praxis.nyc 1 points 1 month ago

@als
This is not to defend foundations in general. They are problematic, but Mozilla didn't create this problem.
@Lokjo

[-] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

Does librewolf have something similar to Firefox sync? I use plenty of devices and having (most of) my settings and addons sync automatically is a pretty handy feature.

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 3 points 1 month ago

It has sync, but you need to enable it. It's in the settings, on the special librewolf page

[-] mauriziocarnago@mastodon.uno 1 points 1 month ago
[-] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

Daaamn you can even selfhost it, thats awesome. Thanks a lot. Guess I'll be switching soon.

[-] Lokjo@mstdn.social 1 points 1 month ago

@Realitaetsverlust

Not sure, maybe @librewolf can answer that?

[-] baum@todon.nl 2 points 1 month ago

@Lokjo thanks for pointing this out.

@librewolf

[-] Lokjo@mstdn.social 1 points 1 month ago

@baum @librewolf

You're welcome!

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

jwz* last month: Mozilla is an advertising company now

This seems completely normal and cool and not troublesome in any way.

Mozilla has acquired Anonym, a [blah blah blah] raise the bar for the advertising industry [blah blah blah] while delivering effective advertising solutions. [...]

Anonym was founded with two core beliefs: [blah blah blah] and second, that digital advertising is critical for the sustainability of free content, services and experiences. [...]

As we integrate Anonym into the Mozilla family, we are excited about the possibilities this partnership brings. While Anonym will continue to serve its customer base, together, we are poised to lead the industry toward a future where privacy and effective advertising go hand in hand, supporting a free and open internet.

Anonym was founded in 2022 by former Facebook executives Brad Smallwood and Graham Mudd. The company was backed by Griffin Gaming Partners, Norwest Venture Partners, Heracles Capital as well as a number of strategic individual investors.

Now hear me out, but What If...? browser development was in the hands of some kind of nonprofit organization?

Oh wait.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski

[-] dragonsidedd@sciencemastodon.com 2 points 1 month ago

@Lokjo @librewolf
Today I completed my daily driver transition to #LibreWolf ; this thread was the catalyst.

I love love LOVE the idea of a simply stripped-down, un-f--ked #FireFox

I love that it was able to use Sync and pull all my saved stuff directly from mozilla.

My only complaint is that LibreWolf demands to be pro-bono libre volunteers; they won't shut up and take my money!

I still contribute monthly to FF; I pretend it's to fund upstream development.

[-] jsadow@c18.masto.host 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

@Lokjo What non-corporate browser is better than Librewolf?

[-] KaiserKitty@clubcyberia.co 1 points 1 month ago

@Lokjo @librewolf Firefox itself is just controlled OP. Google is the primary funding source of Mozilla and Mozilla jumps when Chrome says to jump. They have already been super vauge about their manifest V3 complience so its likely firefox will slowly go along with it. Its what they did with JPEGXL. Google wanted the superior JPEGXL out so they could push WEBP and the corporate friendly AVIF. Mozilla intially went against google and included JPEGXL support in dev builds with plans to push it to stable but then immediately changed tones and went with google dropping it completely. RN librewolf is just furry fox with some settings checked. So i'm worried if Mozilla makes some huge manifest V3 friendly changes librewolf will just slowly trail these updates.

[-] christian@suma-ev.social 1 points 1 month ago

@Lokjo

I love @librewolf!

Please explain why you think #privacyPreservingAttribution is a bad thing! I am collecting pros and cons here:
https://suma-ev.social/@christian/112761712837712799

[-] coolmojo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

How about a cost benefit analysis from Mozilla explainer?

https://github.com/mozilla/explainers/tree/main/ppa-experiment#end-user-benefit

[-] DodoTheDev@front-end.social 0 points 1 month ago

@Lokjo @librewolf @aral
Looks to me like it's time to move back to @Vivaldi who have at least been very transparent when it comes to (recent) privacy settings.

[-] aral@mastodon.ar.al 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

@DodoTheDev @Lokjo @librewolf @Vivaldi Yeah, although I just read that they’re using the manipulative “Maybe later” pattern in at least one of their dialogs so that would be a good thing to fix for the future (I’m using Vivaldi too as my default browser.)

The opposite of “Yes” is “No”, not “Maybe later.”

[-] mray@social.tchncs.de 0 points 1 month ago

@Lokjo @librewolf prior to the version 128 update looked for this and found a related option that was DISABLED for some reason:

"[_] Tell websites not to sell or share my data."

How is THAT a default?! Because I certainly would agree to that any time of the day.

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