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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by MindTraveller@lemmy.ca to c/fediverselore@lemmy.ca

The community /c/soulism@lemmy.blahaj.zone was removed by the instance admins two weeks ago. The community contained only memes and discussion of the ideas of soulism. There were no attacks against anyone. Here is the admin's explanation of the situation:


https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/9875313

Transcript:

ADA:
The post you linked to by MindTraveller is an active misrepresentation of events by them

Traveller and I are not “in agreement” about much of anything. Their politics are very far removed from mine

This is the text of the message I sent advising that I was shutting the group down.

After consideration, I’ve decided that non voters does not really fit the stated goals of blahaj zone. Your motives for creating it seem based on a personal vendetta, and whilst your views are genuine, nothing constructive comes from the community. All it does is create division, because its sole purpose is to target others, without really focusing on any progressive ideas or discussion of its own.

At the moment, it’s causing more harm than good to the overall community.

I’ll leave the community open, so that if you choose to set the community up on another instance, you will have the opportunity to direct them to the new location.

Given the post which you linked, (which I had not seen until now) I will be removing Traveller and the new community, because once more, the goal appears to be to create division

The goal of blahaj zone is not political. The goal is to allow trans people to have a space where they can exist on their own terms, without having to pretend to be someone they’re not. My own political views are closer to Links/LibertyHub than nonvoters or its ilk. Yet as long as there is no bigotry or gatekeeping, then trans people with politics at odds with my own are welcome. It’s why we have an “armed queers” community, despite my own strong distaste for gun culture.

It is communities/posters that exist primary to create division, without adding anything positive back, that have no place here.


This comment contains only one side of the discussion I had with Ada about Non-Voters and Soulism, here is the full context (top is newest, bottom is oldest):

Transcript:

ADA:
Hey there. After consideration, I’ve decided that non voters does not really fit the stated goals of blahaj zone. Your motives for creating it seem based on a personal vendetta, and whilst your views are genuine, nothing constructive comes from the community. All it does is create division, because its sole purpose is to target others, without really focusing on any progressive ideas or discussion of its own.

At the moment, it’s causing more harm than good to the overall community.

I’ll leave the community open, so that if you choose to set the community up on another instance, you will have the opportunity to direct them to the new location.

MINDTRAVELLER:
Thanks for letting me know. I don’t mind if nonvoters is gone. It served its purpose. The guy who was banning trans people and calling us liberals for not wanting to die is no longer in power. The Blahaj community is no longer divided. We achieved unity. And sure, some people are whining that they have to get along with others now, but the tide is against them. I’ll see if there’s a way to lock the community and prevent new posts. I want to keep the most recent post visible so in two months when the transphobes start whining about Kamala I can link that post and tell them “called it.”

MINDTRAVELLER:
There we go, all locked up. No new posts or comments.

MINDTRAVELLER:
Also, your mention of constructive politics gave me an idea. I want to create a soulist community on Blahaj. Something like https://www.reddit.com/r/Soulism101/. That place has been a ghost town since the APIcalypse, but the soulist movement has been going strong on Discord. It should have a place on Lemmy too. Plus, it would dramatically reduce the number of people mischaracterising soulism on the fediverse. The only attacks shall be against capitalism, the cisheteropatriarchy, the state, and reality.

ADA:
That sounds like a much better fit!


Non-Voters was completely locked up, and I made a post explaining the decision to close it, which both Ada and I agreed on, as you can see in this message log. In Ada's later public comment, she says the post was a misrepresentation of events. She said that she and I did not agree. However we can clearly see in this chatlog that when Ada told me the community was closing, I agreed to close it. And when I asked to open a new community not focused on any form of criticism of others users, she agreed too. If I had not agreed to do as Ada said and close the community, there would not be a post from me announcing the community's closure. So the idea that Ada and I did not agree to close the community is nonsense.

At the time that /c/soulism was removed from lemmy.blahaj.zone, I had in fact already been unbanned from /c/libertyhub by the community's mods. Ada cites division as the reason for the removal, but there was no division at this time, except between some Liberty Hub users and their own mods. Here is the log:

Transcript:

MINDTRAVELLER:
Hi, I’d like to appeal my ban on Liberty Hub. I never broke the rules, I only complained about LOC’s overly strict moderation style. I was banned with the reason “off topic”, which isn’t a rule.

KITTENZRULZ123:
I unbanned you however know that you have broken the rules, if you make me regret this act of leniency I will reban you.


At this time, the division between Non-Voters, myself, Liberty Hub, kittenzrulz, and linkopenschest had been resolved. Non-Voters had never been a community specifically designed to target Liberty Hub, and in fact linkopenschest and kittenzrulz both had posts on the community that engaged with the concept in good faith, and which I did not remove. They were never banned from the community, and they decided to reverse my ban from the community. So the three of us had been engaged in a good-faith disagreement from the start, minus one impulsive ban that was reversed, and we had already set our differences aside. I became an outright ally of Liberty Hub when they decided to relax their excessive bans, and they were exploring the possibility of treating me the same way.

Here is where I diverge from pure fact to analysis and speculation: Since division still existed between the users of Liberty Hub and the mod team, and the users perceived Ada as an ally of the mod team and of myself (because I was cooperating with everything Ada told me and getting along well with the LH mods), Ada panicked. The fact that I was getting along with everyone and making compromises was causing the conspiracy theorists to target Ada. So Ada manufactured a drama between her and myself to make it clear that she did not approve of me, even if I was agreeing to do everything she told me. The unity, compromise, and reconciliation was a bad look for Ada in the eyes of the tinfoil hat people. Ada chose to regain the tinfoil hats' favour by inventing a fake disagreement between herself and me. That's the reason /c/soulism was removed, despite hosting zero offensive content and never even having one of its posts or comments reported by anyone. Ada needed to conjure up a fight from nowhere to look good to the conspiracy people.

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[-] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 21 points 1 month ago
[-] Luci@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 month ago

It started as a meme and then a bunch of people thought it was a good idea. It's nothing more than big egos pushing progress away "for future generations to figure out" in return for personal freedoms and public ownership. Thats what I got out of this manifesto and the public facing websites about it

My take is that it's communism meets sovereign citizens. I'm probably way off but it has no place on that instance. The admins did right.

[-] funbreaker@kbin.run 10 points 1 month ago

one of the big soulism pushers here tries to get people to call them a goddess. They even ran off a mod on blahaj.zone for """"misgendering"""" them.

[-] goferking0 4 points 1 month ago

They're also claiming the mod wasn't run off and their friendly now. Of course using that as reasoning when trying to become a mod of the instance they chased all mods off of

[-] Luci@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago
[-] funbreaker@kbin.run 5 points 1 month ago
[-] Luci@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

The Internet was a mistake.

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 month ago

That's not true, soulism isn't new. There have been antirealists resisting the white state's control of reality for hundreds of years. Heroes who fought against colonialism. Like Fanny Balbuk, James McDonald, and Atlacatl. And soulists don't advocate against science, we advocate for a scientific method that acknowledges diverse cultural experiences and realities.

[-] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Edit: I was maybe too mean to the silly soulists

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Soulism is anarcho-antirealism, a philosophy extending sociologists' ideas that consensus reality is a social construct into political praxis. A major goal of the community was to answer this question for more Lemmy users. You can read more about soulism at http://soulism.net

[-] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 26 points 1 month ago

Holy fuck. If that's your answer, your group deserved to be deleted.

Having done a search, I found a Reddit link that essentially says soulism is the belief that freedom should be pursued over everything else and even said gravitational forces are something that the soulism movement aspires to overcome.

So if you strive for freedom, why don't you set up an instance that reflects your values and aspirations?

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Because there's already at least one instance that's supposed to be a safe space for queer people to freely express ourselves. Blahaj. So I asked the admin, and the admin said it was a good idea. She said it was a good fit for the instance's goals.

[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 month ago

Upvoted for the quality of the drama

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

Thank you. I didn't want there to be a weird ass fake fight between me and Ada, I wanted to do what I was told and get along with everyone. But if there must be manufactured drama, I endeavour to provide an accurate and comprehensive record.

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