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I don't live in the US, so my ISP doesn't really seem to care what I torrent, but the megathread vehemently recommends to always use one. Since VPNs aren't cheap and I'm on a strict budget (wouldn't pirate otherwise), is it really that dangerous to torrent without one?

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[-] pantsu_professor@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Why not get a seedbox? Most come with Plex and Jellyfin so you can stream the content of the seedbox. Also they generally provide VPNs.

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[-] neverminder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

yes. sorry. it's cheaper then buying countless games and software, whatever you use it for. think of it as getting a massive discount on things you'd have been forced to buy otherwise. overtime, you'd spend thousands of dollars in games, etc. VPN monthly cost is a small price to pay comparibly

[-] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 2 points 1 year ago

VPN that I use is about 50USD for a two year cycle, pretty cheap if you commit for a while. Even beyond torrents just not letting your ISP scoop up all your browsing data is worth the price.

[-] bdp1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

American here, I've torrented movies and anime for a few years now and only got one warning (For downloading "The Big Short" of of Pirate bay). I have since stopped seeding on that site, though a seed on smaller ones. I have had no issues with lawyers since.

[-] BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It (possibly) adds a layer of security. Of course you're just passing your traffic through them. Should they get summoned to court or ordered they could turn over your information and show you were trafficking through them. I'd say to read into how your nation persecutes copyright. How strict are they, how often have people been legally attacked cause of it, etc. If you're in Japan for example, I'd say 100% use a VPN. Copyright is extremely serious there.

[-] BananaTrifleViolin@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Very true. Not all VPNs are created equal and it's important to research, but ultimately you are putting your trust in them with your data. They provide anonymity but you need to trust them that they don't compromise your security. And of coruse you should still do everything else you can to maximise your security on the internet.

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[-] dimspace@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Personally I just have a Real-Debrid sub for like 3 euros a month and do any torrenting via them.

Also useful for streaming just about anything in Kodi, and for downloading from file hosts

[-] GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Can you use real debrid to automatically grab torrents from a private tracker (maybe through autobrr)?

[-] Pulp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

This wont be good for your ratio.

[-] GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Sorry, do you mean using it in place of BitTorrent wouldn't be good? Does it not seed back?

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[-] Sterben@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Look, if you want peace of mind use it, but it is also true that you will most likely be fine with it.

I personally use NordVPN, and I have been always torrenting with pretty good speed. I am pretty sure there are cheaper alternatives.

Good luck to You. :⁠-⁠)

[-] BiggestBulb@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

There are a lot of self-hostable VPN services out there which are free. There is also Mullvad as previously mentioned and I myself use Nord (I don't necessarily recommend it for privacy, but it was convenient when I got it).

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

For a private tracker no, for public trackers it depends on your country. Some countries the worst you might get is an email or letter in the mail, other countries you will be sued. I even use a VPN for private trackers, let alone public trackers.

I would recommend using a VPN.

[-] Vitaly@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What if i have self-hosted vpn? am i safe now? (wireguard)

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[-] trent@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

You're probably fine, but I recommend just getting a free VPN to keep your ISP at bay. I don't like Proton, but they do have a free VPN. Google around and you can find some others too, if that one is too slow

[-] Pulp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

You could even use cloudflare warp. Works fine for torrenting.

[-] trent@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

true, forgot about them!

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[-] BananaTrifleViolin@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It really depends on how likely you are going to be caught and what the consequences are. Your ISP may not care but copyright holders generally band together and have legal set ups in most countries both trying to take down servers and end users, lobby for legal changes including trying to criminalise copy right infingement.

Generally a trustworthy VPN is a very good idea not just for torrenting but for maintaining privacy and security when you are doing other things such as banking, or even just browsing. A VPN is about protecting all your data and internet traffic, not just protecting you when torrenting.

In terms of Torrenting, a Proxy may be enough and a lot of the best VPN providers do provide Proxy servers (that anonymise the detail of your Torrenting use but the rest of your computer use would be on the open internet) in addition to full VPN connections that secure your whole PC for P2P and non-P2P uses.

If a VPN seems too expensive, then there are companies that also only provide Proxy connecftions. BTGuard.com is an example; the Proxy only option is 30% cheaper than the full VPN option.

EDIT: Note though, a VPN is about anonymity. You need to trust your VPN provider as you're passing your data through them, and it is not a substitue for secure practices on the internet. You still need to be secure on the internet including only downloadling from trustworthy locations, using antivirus and malware protection, not installing software from insecure places, using HTTPS and securing your internet browser, turning on tracking protection & ad blocking, and even considering using virtualisation to protect yourself even more.

[-] idlenonsense@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

VPNs are only really necessary if you use public trackers. Private trackers are generally viewed as small enough and not worth the bother by copyright holders to pursue. Like someone else said earlier, it’s a matter of risk. I tend to view private trackers, especially those seen as “elite” and difficult to enter as being very safe.

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[-] Jarmer@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Look into a seedbox. They can be had for very cheap in some places and then you're not torrenting anything at all to your local network, you're just transferring everything over an encrypted ftp connection. I use whatbox and absolutely love it. I'm sure there are cheaper options though.

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