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I don't live in the US, so my ISP doesn't really seem to care what I torrent, but the megathread vehemently recommends to always use one. Since VPNs aren't cheap and I'm on a strict budget (wouldn't pirate otherwise), is it really that dangerous to torrent without one?

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[-] deafboy@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

I was brought up thinking I live in a central europe. The "heart of europe" they called it. Only once I realized that I torrent without a VPN without consequences, I accepted the fact that I'm eastern european AF.

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[-] FaeDine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago

I've always seen this as a question of risk. What you're asking is the digital equivalent to "Do I really need to wear my seatbelt when driving?"

You can drive around your car two hours a day, every day, without a seatbelt, and be fine for years. You can say you live in a calm neighborhood and say no one ever drives recklessly there. Everyone is still going to tell you to always wear your seatbelt.

You can be very careful about what you torrent. You could possibly torrent lots of things with no problems at all. All it takes is one person at one other endpoint grabbing your IP from one torrent and reporting, to cause a lot of problems.

It's up to you if you want to take that risk, but when you're asking for advice no one is ever going to tell you that you don't need one, and if they are they're probably giving bad advice. There are enough horror stories that many don't think it's worth the risk.

[-] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I'm on a bicycle and am wearing a helmet though

[-] FaeDine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago

You should probably wear a condom too, just to be extra safe, then.

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[-] Purrington@beehaw.org 18 points 1 year ago

I live in 3rd world country where the government doesn't care much about torrent/piracy too. So far there's no problem.

I guess it depends more on the country you live. If nobody is using VPN, you will probably be fine.

[-] Foam3477@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

yay living in a 3rd world country has its benefits!

[-] fell@ma.fellr.net 14 points 1 year ago

@Alextheacceptable In Germany, there are lawyers specialised on torrents. They collect German IPs from the peers list and mass-sue them over distributing copyrighted material. They always ask for a settlement payment of more than 5000€. It can usually be escaped by taking it to court, but I recommend not going through that.

So, depends on your location. Over here, download one movie without a VPN and you have a shit ton of legal crap coming your way.

[-] fell@ma.fellr.net 3 points 1 year ago

Makes me think... if you exclusively use IPv6 you might be fine because they can't geolocate you that easily 🤔

[-] SolOrion@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Would that really matter, though? Afaik, they could still just.. ask your ISP who that IP was assigned to, which is what they're going to do with IPv4 anyways.

[-] fell@ma.fellr.net 3 points 1 year ago

@SolOrion They don't deal with ISPs outside the country, because they can't sue them at a German court.

So they need to know it's a German ISP beforehand so they can request personal information accordingly. But maybe they could still figure it out from IPv6 address ranges... I'm not entirely sure.

[-] the1HOknocks@fedia.io 3 points 1 year ago

Yes you can do that easiely with a ripe whois query. And they definitely do.

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[-] hardypart@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

Do you live in a country where the authorities are taking action against torrenting? Yes, you should absolutely be using a VPN, because otherwise you're presenting your identity on a silver platter.

Do you live in a country where the authorities don't give a fuck? Then no, a VPN won't be necessary.

[-] mrh@mander.xyz 13 points 1 year ago

Alternatively if price is an issue (NEVER use a “free” VPN) you could torrent over I2P, which is free and very safe (at least as safe as tor, if not moreso).

Also the next release of qbittorrent is about to have built in I2P support (but also standard I2P comes with its own torrenting software).

[-] daniele@feddit.it 11 points 1 year ago

They don’t seem to care, but they collect data. So they don’t seem to care NOW. Always use a non-logging VPN.

[-] PirateForDaLolz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago

You don't technically need a VPN for torrenting, but unless you live in a country that is known to not care about piracy, then you should use one.

[-] burgersc12@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Yes, you need some way to hide your IP when torrenting in the US unless your ISP doesn't care about copyright letters. If you don't want to use a VPN, a debrid service or I2P are other options as well that can hide torrents from your isp. Another option is to not torrent and stick to ddl and streaming

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[-] iamhazel@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

I've been torrenting in the US for a decade and a half without a VPN, including as a kid on my parents network LOL, and only got warnings, maybe once every couple years. Tons of copyrighted materials. ATT then Charter, YMMV.

[-] ilickfrogs@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

That ultimately depends on what jurisdiction you're in and what laws apply. It varies wildly country to country.

[-] BootlegHermit@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I find that most VPNs are so heavily shilled that by that very nature, makes them suspect. Since the days of Napster, WinMX, Bearshare and the like, I've gotten exactly 2 "Hey, knock it off" letters from my ISP. And they were both from new-release, mouse-affiliated movie releases from a public tracker.

Get in with some of the private trackers and 99.9% of the worry disappears. Try not to upload terabytes of data, and the majority of ISPs (I mean, two of the 3 that seem to have the monopolies at least) wont even bother sending the notices.

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[-] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I can only give my experience. I live in the US and thought my ISP didn’t care, but when I got nasty letters about me torrenting Rick and Morty, I started using a VPN.

[-] bumbly@readit.buzz 6 points 1 year ago
[-] weyland-yutani@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

If you live in third world country then you definitely don't need one.

[-] arisu@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I see. Switzerland is now a "third world country".

[-] ArmorXIII@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What I've learned overtime is high profile things like movie releases will see a nice email from your ISP. Anime relating thing that are under the radar won't have much trouble. A little risky, but that what I've learned on that side.

[-] hyperio@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

I live in India and here nobody cares what you do or download. I only use a VPN to access blocked sites.

[-] Yoldark@vlemmy.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In France it is not very necessary, the hadopi will send you warnings. You need to stop at least 6 month after you receive a mail warning.

Then you are good to go.

I use stremio for ages without any problems.

Still i recommend vpn usage for torrents. You can share accounts with multiple persons to lower the price.

[-] wim 10 points 1 year ago

In Belgium, I torrented for a decade when I was younger, and I recently (about a year ago) switched back to torrenting as streaming services get more fragmented and more expensive.

I've never had any letter or email from anyone for torrenting. Some of my friends torrent much more than me and haven't either.

My coworkers from NL and UK are terrified of me even mentioning torrenting.

[-] ID10T@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hi country mate :), I am using protection, you never now..

[-] sinkingship@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

A VPN is not necessary for torrent usage.

But if you live in a country that enforces copy right etc online, it's highly recommended, as a VPN will make it almost impossible to track you down.

A VPN is like a costume. You don't need to wear one to do something illegal, but wearing one will make it much harder for authorities to identify you.

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[-] DataDreadnought@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

If your ISP doesn't care then you are good.

[-] johnnysparrow@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In the UK, torrent sites are blocked by the ISPs, so you would need a VPN to access the sites.

[-] rylo@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago

I think it depends on the country. In the US, ISPs tend to be fairly strict so using a VPN is necessary (at least with Comcast). After 6-7 DMCAs, I've heard of people getting their accounts and service terminated. Best to use one and not take the chance with them. With 3rd world countries, most ISPs don't care about DMCAs so I can see there not being a need to use one in those situations.

[-] steebo_jack@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Last time i did this, i got a nice email from my isp giving me a warning that they may turn off my internet.

[-] brejela@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

It depends very much on the copyright laws on where you live. You said you don't live in the US, which already makes you better off than a lot of people here -However, Europe also has very strict © laws. So it is always recommended.

[-] HornedThing@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

My country only sees an issue if I'm producing and sitributing pirated content and is really behind on digital laws, and mostly they dont give a fuck. In universities they encourage you to pirate books even show you how, especially with scientific papers and stuff, back when playstation games where only physical there where whole stores dedicated to selling pirated games. Latin america I guess. But on top of that VPNs are freaking expensive. Depends on your situation thou

[-] bobdigga@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i live in ny and i have gotten letters from spectrum in the past. havent gotten one since i went vpn (referral?) and seedbox. im not torrenting, as i am logging into the seeedbox (referral?) via ftp and transferring the files over that way. so far so good.

[-] Saturdaycat@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Wow times have changed for sure. This thread convinced me to get a VPN of some kind at least

[-] mara@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago

Pedantically, it's not required, but it's probably a good idea to make your life easier.

[-] LobsterDog@frig.social 3 points 1 year ago

worst that can happen is your ISP sends you a letter to stop, then get a VPN.

[-] JasSmith@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Just an FYI: for the cost of a VPN, you can buy a Usenet subscription. Depending on your content, you'll get far better speeds, far more privacy, far more content, and far more availability.

[-] ramboteng@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Are there quality x265 rips like QxR on usenet?

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[-] Overzeetop@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I used to be all over usenet. Starting about 10-12 years ago most of the indexers turned to shit; either that or takedowns have eviscerated the back catalog of content from providers. I've yet to find a good tracker that can find anything (that's more than 12-24 hours old).

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