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2024 VP debate: Fact-checking JD Vance and Tim Walz (www.politifact.com)

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Tallies:

Vance: * 7 False / mostly false. * 1 half true * 0 true/mostly true

Walz: * 2 False * 5 true

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 171 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Here's one of Walz's Falses

Walz: "Their Project 2025 is gonna have a registry of pregnancies."

False.

Project 2025 recommends that states submit more detailed abortion reporting to the federal government. It calls for more information about how and when abortions took place, as well as other statistics for miscarriages and stillbirths.

The manual does not mention, nor call for, a new federal agency tasked with registering pregnant women.

That's some hair-splitting bullshit if I ever heard it. How is the federal government going to collect information on abortions, miscarriages, and stillbirths if they aren't tracking pregnancies? Walz did not mention "a new federal agency" at all. Just that they want to collect the information about pregnancies and how they end.

The other lie was that Trump paid no federal income tax, which is mostly true except for when he paid back taxes in 2016 because he was running for President, and then while he was President, his taxes were paid for him.

Meanwhile, Vance is like "Walz passed a law allowing doctors to murder babies." These false statements are not at all the same.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

These false statements are not at all the same.

Of course they're not, but the media has to find something to call out or they'll be accused of BiAs by idiots who think anything not full throatedly supporting them is a direct attack.

[-] femtech@midwest.social 8 points 2 months ago

Yeah, seems like the fact checkers are trying to look neutral while still mentioning that fucked up things Republicans are doing. Which might help if the Republican voters actually read it.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Every time they do this fact-checking they're like "The democrat said republicans want to ban abortions? Well abortion bans have been made by many parties over the past 300 years. Full false. The republican said that democrats want to feed babies to immigrants? Half true, they didn't say they didn't want to do that!"

[-] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

the tallies are misleading below is the actual skinny

Walz: "When Iranian missiles did fall near U.S. troops and they received traumatic brain injuries, Donald Trump wrote it off as ‘headaches.’"

True.

Walz: "Sen. Vance has said that there's a climate problem in the past. Donald Trump called it (climate change) a hoax and then joked that these things would make more beachfront property to be able to invest in."

True.

Walz: "We are producing more natural gas and more oil at any time than we ever have."

True.

Walz: "And the good news on this is, is the last 12 months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our nation's history."

Mostly True.

Walz: Trump "gave the tax cuts that predominantly went to the top class. What happened there was an $8 trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever."

Mostly True.

Vance: "What (Harris has) actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%, drive the cost of housing higher by about 60%."

Half True.

Vance: Donald Trump "peacefully gave over power on January the 20th as we have done for 250 years in this country."

Mostly False.

Vance: "So there's an application called the CBP One app, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for parole and be granted legal status."

Mostly False.

Vance: "Kamala Harris let in fentanyl into our communities at record levels."

Mostly False.

Walz: "Donald Trump hasn't paid any federal tax in the last 15 years. The last year as president."

Mostly False.

Vance: Donald Trump "peacefully gave over power on January the 20th as we have done for 250 years in this country."

Mostly False.

Walz: "Their Project 2025 is gonna have a registry of pregnancies."

False.

Vance: "As I read the Minnesota law that (Walz) signed into law … it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, the doctor is under no obligation to provide lifesaving care to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion."

False.

Vance: "Iran, which launched this attack (on Israel), has received over $100 billion and unfrozen assets, thanks to the Kamala Harris administration."

False.

Vance: "Donald Trump could have destroyed the (Affordable Care Act). Instead, he worked in a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans had access to affordable care."

False.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 months ago

TL;DR: Vance lied non-stop and Waltz brainfarted and accidentally said that he made friends with a shooter.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Vance: 0 true/mostly true

lmao I don't know what I expected

[-] MediaBiasFactChecker@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

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