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submitted 11 months ago by gomp@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

Since I need to run a few apps that won't work on LineageOS (because dumb developer security stance), I need to buy a "regular" android device that includes all the google "services".

Ideally, it should be a cheap second-hand phone that will still receive security updates for a long time.

Are there bands that are better (well, "less worse") than others from a privacy perspective?

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[-] raistlin 35 points 11 months ago

I would personally go with the pixel line, as they just have the google spyware, and not 3 other companies spyware installed on top of Google spyware. Also they generally have decent security updates, and get them faster than most other brands, and then you have the option to switch to grapheneOS should you want too. They are also fairly affordable especially if you are getting them second hand.

[-] degen@midwest.social 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I definitely second this. From what I've read, graphene's sandboxed google services work a little more seamlessly compared to microg.

Edit: you might want to be careful with secondhand, though, regarding locked bootloaders. An unlocked bootloader is necessary and is NOT the same as "carrier unlocked"

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Do you know how to access developer tools in Android/GrapheneOS to do that (lock/unlock bootloader)?

[-] degen@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

In settings - about phone, tap the build number tab at the bottom like 7(?) times. That'll enable the developer section back in settings, and there's a bootloader option there, OEM unlocking.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

THANK-YOU!!! Ugh, couldn't find that trick anywhere. Prolly should have YouTubed it a long time ago ๐Ÿ˜ฎโ€๐Ÿ’จ

[-] degen@midwest.social 2 points 11 months ago

No problem, glad I could help!

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Do you know why someone might have a problem with using Fdroid. Use to be able to use it but now it will never download or install updates and I can't install anything anymore. Its got me really puzzling how to walk things back to where I used to be able to

[-] eleitl@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Had it too. Uninstalling and reinstalling fixed it for me.

[-] degen@midwest.social 1 points 11 months ago

I'm not really sure, apart from fdroid needing permission to install apps. I don't use fdroid, at least not directly. Most of my apps are installed through obtainium.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I figured it out. It was trying to route traffic through Tor for some reason which I have no need for. Problem solved, thanks though.

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

I had bad luck and ended up with a Pixel 2 that was carrier unlocked, appeared to have an unlocked bootloader but was some special Verizon version that did not allow flashing. Fuck you, Verizon.

[-] degen@midwest.social 2 points 11 months ago

Yuuup, Verizon is exactly what I was getting at lol. They seem to be the most common refurb/second hand devices.

[-] authed@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Swappa.com is a good place to get a second hand one

[-] pipariturbiini@sopuli.xyz 18 points 11 months ago

I'd say Fairphone is less worse than e.g. Samsung or other big companies from a privacy perspective. Their phones are also promised long support cycle, meaning software updates as well as replacement parts, so buying used should be more viable than other brands. Although I believe they might be difficult to find if you're not in Europe.

[-] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

They are supposed to be available in the US and by proxy probably NA as a whole tho

[-] bbbhltz@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago

Fairphone did launch in the US this year, with /e/OS I believe.

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago

Fairphone 5 is coming in one week!

[-] Siliconic@discuss.online 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I highly recommend you use GrapheneOS with Sandboxed Google Play Services, nearly perfect compatibility and much more private and secure than any stock Android

[-] wagoner@infosec.pub 5 points 11 months ago

Have you tried cloning the app and making adjustments to it? https://appcloner.app/

[-] bbbhltz@beehaw.org 4 points 11 months ago

Are there better brands?

Probably. I'll echo the thoughts and opinions of others, sorry for the repeat.

Pixel phones will continue to receive updates (and GrapheneOS supports Pixels as long as Google supports them). If you go full tinfoil hat, you'll see that there are people out there accusing Google of being an NSA partner and more.

Fairphone is a neat idea for reparability reasons. They also try to support their devices for a long time. But, they can be expensive for less than premium hardware.

Try to find devices that ship with very little bloatware:

  • Nokia makes some cheap phones that might be tempting, but HMD Global (licence-holder for Nokia) has messed stuff up in the past. My Nokia 5.3, for example, received a bad update. What was bad? Well, if you tried to factory reset it bricked the phone. I did not read the forum before resetting my phone (https://community.phones.nokia.com/discussion/66312/warning-do-not-factory-reset-nokia-5-3-bricked-phone) so that cheap little guy didn't even make it to year 2. Probably for the best as they were once accused of sharing data with [2 very large countries].
  • Motorola, like Nokia, makes some cheaper devices. And, like Nokia, tends to ship with little to no bloatware. But, they are notorious for abandoning devices.
  • Sony and Asus does not fall under the cheap category, unless you buy used.

If you really want to save, buy a broken phone and fix it. Rounded.com sells spare parts for different phones, so you could even find a phone for cheap and make it last using spare parts.

[-] iamak@infosec.pub 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If you are rooted and the app doesn't need any gapps, try hide prop config magisk module. (Some apps have fallbacks for gapps built in like Uber has OSM as fallback for gmaps in India atleast)

[-] Asudox@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago
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