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[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemm.ee 178 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (11 children)

Calling China communist is a stretch. More like planned authoritarian capitalism tempered with socialism. China has 607 billionaires, communism would have 0.

[–] Chrobin@discuss.tchncs.de 76 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Also, Japan is very capitalistic and they have amazing trains.

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 38 points 2 weeks ago

look I don't care who's communist and who's capitalist, we need them trains

[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's not a stretch, it's outright false to call it communism or socialism, systems which necessitate the abolishment of capitalist mode of production (commodity production, private ownership, markets) and money. China, meanwhile, literally has billionaires, still produces things under capitalist mode of production and the only oddity it has compared to other Capitalist countries is partially nationalized economy (which Mussolini has also done, it's not socialism by itself).

It's just a social democracy.

[–] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

democracy is a far stretch though, isnt it? And capitalist is also not entirely true, when entire industry branches are nationalized, planned and not privatized

[–] ilega_dh@feddit.nl 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Isn’t there only one political party in China? How is that democracy? Not being hostile, genuinely curious how that would work

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can have disagreements within a single party. Like how in the US they banned communist parties because it didn't align with the capitalist ideals that all American parties are required to align with.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think people have some degree of chouce at the more local levels, but you're right.

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Wikipedia lists 9 parties in the NPC

[–] ilega_dh@feddit.nl 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

You should also learn that those parties are subsidiaries of CCP, the governing party. They are not actual alternatives.

[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

And all of those parties are listed as being under the control of CCP. So it is a one party state.

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[–] theUwUhugger@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lets call it state capitalist, as thats the proper term

[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not even that, given how there's a decent chunk of their economy owned by private individuals

[–] theUwUhugger@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

As I understand it, the majority shareholder is the cccp in those little capitalist bubbles?

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[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The term state capitalism cover a lot of the basics of the Chinese system.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I answered over here, China is a Socialist economy trying to build up to Communism. Billionaires wouldn't really exist in Communism, but China hasn't managed to abolish the commodity form in general yet, it takes time and most importantly development of the productive forces.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 94 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

China is as communist as I am a french male model. That said, it is indeed a mistake to allow the "free market" to determine the nation's critical infrastructure. American rail is an absolute joke.

[–] underline960@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I… I already told you.

[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago
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[–] Kazel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

muricans calling everything communism that isn't gop cock sucking is getting old

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Whos trains are those ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ the world may never know

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Are they belong to a stateless moneyless society? It would be very embarrassing for you if they aren't.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Would it be? True it's not communist but also China doesn't claim to be. They claim it as an aspiration not as a current state of affairs. However we are random internet people. Are we really going to explain to every dumbass how China isn't communist, only a vanguard state hoping to evolve into one in the future according to the chain of events described in the communist manifesto?

No. Cause that's a waste of time. Being angry that all that context wasn't added is pedantic because we ain't operating with strict definitions that everyone agrees to. We are working with cultural vibe checks. And as far as culture is concerned, China is communist.

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[–] _lilith@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

yeah we almost got a high speed rail system but some dipshit from south africa decided to build a shitty tunnel instead

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

The more I read about Boring Company the more annoyed I am.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

Close. Put the capitalist train on its side, spilling hazardous waste into a community water source.

[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Communism is when trains run on time

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

’Communism is when communal efforts produce results.’

Accidentally correct, you dolt.

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[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Capitalism (good) Vs Capitalism (bad)

FTFY

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Capitalism with literal slave labor vs capitalism that outsources the literal slave labor or calls them prisoners with jobs

[–] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

and I wouldn't want to live in neither the US nor China

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Capitalism with literal slave labor

You're talking about the US prison population, right?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

prisoners with jobs

[–] ilega_dh@feddit.nl 4 points 2 weeks ago

Capitalism (with speedy trains) vs capitalism (with slow trains)

FTFY

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