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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago

No shit. This isn't new.

[–] atlien51@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Employers who are foaming at the mouth at the thought of replacing their workers with cheap AI:

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[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

This sort of thing has been published a lot for awhile now, but why is it assumed that this isn't what human reasoning consists of? Isn't all our reasoning ultimately a form of pattern memorization? I sure feel like it is. So to me all these studies that prove they're "just" memorizing patterns don't prove anything other than that, unless coupled with research on the human brain to prove we do something different.

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Agreed. We don't seem to have a very cohesive idea of what human consciousness is or how it works.

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[–] LonstedBrowryBased@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Yah of course they do they’re computers

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Thank you Captain Obvious! Only those who think LLMs are like "little people in the computer" didn't knew this already.

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[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (16 children)

I think it's important to note (i'm not an llm I know that phrase triggers you to assume I am) that they haven't proven this as an inherent architectural issue, which I think would be the next step to the assertion.

do we know that they don't and are incapable of reasoning, or do we just know that for x problems they jump to memorized solutions, is it possible to create an arrangement of weights that can genuinely reason, even if the current models don't? That's the big question that needs answered. It's still possible that we just haven't properly incentivized reason over memorization during training.

if someone can objectively answer "no" to that, the bubble collapses.

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[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Would like a link to the original research paper, instead of a link of a screenshot of a screenshot

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's all "one instruction at a time" regardless of high processor speeds and words like "intelligent" being bandied about. "Reason" discussions should fall into the same query bucket as "sentience".

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XD so, like a regular school/university student that just wants to get passing grades?

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (38 children)

You assume humans do the opposite? We literally institutionalize humans who not follow set patterns.

We also reward people who can memorize and regurgitate even if they don't understand what they are doing.

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[–] BlaueHeiligenBlume@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Of course, that is obvious to all having basic knowledge of neural networks, no?

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