Cross-posted from "Nina going off today" by @seahorse@midwest.social in !antifascism@midwest.social
It has to get worse before it can get better. Violate.
this post was submitted on 09 Jun 2025
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Educate me. I mean this with no hostility, and I'll be honest about the fact that I'm not an American and am seeing this from the outside. I'm not attacking anyone and I'm not defending any one stance, because I'd like to be educated and I'm not confident my news is giving me the whole picture.
Educate me.
Here's what I hear.
- American troops (including marines) have been deployed without the governor's consent (this sounds terrifying)
- This has been temporarily suspended because it was a hasty move and requires the governor's consent
- If this turns violent then it can be considered an insurrection (or meet whatever terms required to be considered) and the insurrection act can be invoked (this sounds terrifying) (why would you encourage violence in this circumstance?)
- I get how pacifism can be the wrong move in some circumstances, but this post sounds like it came from people wanting to stir the pot. And that's exactly what Trump would want, right?
Please spell it out for the rest of us. And how can I help?
Isn't this exactly what Trump would want? I may be missing the point here, and as an ally I don't mean to take anyone's energy away from far more important efforts.
Please educate me (if you can). Please fight for your rights!
Not OP but for your second bullet, the idea is that we're getting the insurrection act or martial law pretty much no matter what because trump wants it and is looking for any excuse.
So, if it's going to happen anyway, why not do it on our terms?
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Let me break it down very simply:
Did you ever get bullied in school or see a bully terrorize other kids?
Was the bully stopped by appeals for him to act nicely? Was the bully stopped by the administration? Did the bully stop beating a kid when the kid didn't fight back?
Yes the bully will beat another kid and then cry wolf when the kid defends itself. However the administration full well knows who the bully is and decides to side with him anyways.
If you fight back you might loose. If you don't fight back you will definitely loose.
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The only police reform we have seen in 15 years has been as the result of BLM violent protests.
Violent protest got you every single right you have.
It's historically the only way slaves and the poor have ever improved their lives.
Shut the fuck up