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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 4 points 2 hours ago

Another one? I'm still reeling from the preacher murders.

[–] Starfarer@lemmy.today 15 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Don't you think the guy looks like MAGA Paul Hollywood?

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

He reminded me of Jon Favreau. Or David Zayas

[–] molten@lemmy.world 27 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Remember: misinformation comes from both sides. Just because you like it doesn't mean you can skip fact checking.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 45 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Simply using the term “both sides” is problematic, and not just because it’s a binary fallacy. There aren’t just two sides. It’s misrepresents a system in which there is one single, unified group that engages in violent, oppressive, lawless fascism… and then there is everyone else, covering a nearly infinite variety of ideologies and goals, and many of whom have no representation.

The phrase “both sides” as it is, itself, misinformation and propaganda.

[–] dulce_3t_decorum_3st@lemmy.world 1 points 3 minutes ago

Damn. 👊🏼

[–] molten@lemmy.world 25 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Let me clarify. I'm an imbecile who normally comments on porn and trash memes. I didn't put much thought into it besides "PSA: we're inclined to believe things that align with us! Make sure to check!" Because I gotta remind myself often because I believe most things I like. and think people also might appreciate being reminded. I just think too often in binary terms because (see above) I'm an idiot and it's all easier that way. But I'm always trying to grow and do better so I'll take your critique of my comment to heart.

I guess I'll try to phrase things less binarily in the future. Or keep it short. But thanks for keeping me on it.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago

God damn, this is an awesome level headed comment.

I like that you are BOTH right.

"Both sides" has definitely changed in meaning. Every time I read it I just assume it's some right wing dipshit trying to muddy the waters.

Your point is totally valid though, misinformation comes and can come from anywhere, especially online.

Keep up the good work both of you!

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Is it misinformation this time though?

[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works -2 points 7 hours ago

The side that is doing actually good stuff doesn't need to use misinformation, but there'll be unaffiliated people spreading whatever kind they want on a platform that will have them

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 104 points 15 hours ago

No surprise they wear the mark of the beast on their foreheads.

[–] guyoverthere123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 13 hours ago

It's people like those two that need their faces eaten by a leopard.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 63 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The timeline in the article doesn't line up with that picture.

Sounds like there was a nasty divorce in 2015 between the parents, including a restraining order.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 71 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

We've got an article, I'm sure there will be more coming out. It's his mom and stepdad:

Social media accounts for his parents show that his dad, a U.S. Army veteran, and his mom, a pet groomer, have each divorced and remarried. Each has made Facebook posts in support of President Donald Trump and right-wing politics, but there is no indication their son shares their views.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/wess-roley-identified-as-man-accused-of-killing-idaho-firefighters/

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 48 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Per the CNN story, its certainly possible he had a mental break after failing to get a job in the forestry service and just decided to take it out on a couple of firefighters before offing himself.

Did his parents holding extremist political views and a fetish for firearms play a role in his actions? Would be more unbelievable if they didn't. But I don't think he'd have been better off with a couple of parents who were firmly in the Ted Cruz camp or disaffected Liz Cheney die-hards, either.

If I was to take a wild guess, I'd say this was the direct result of a kid who was out of high school, unemployed, with no real future on the horizon, who was terminally online in a community of (likely a large number of bot-accounts and trolls) telling him he's worthless and should just off himself.

A classic problem of "surplus males" that plague every militant reactionary society.

[–] fantacyde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 11 hours ago

I appreciate this take on it. So easy to take jabs at the MAGA family but to take the time to really think on the more actual influences on this kid's actions, I think you did well.

[–] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

too bad this happened in the home of the Aryan Nation, it'll amount to thoughts and prayers

I truly hope firefighters nationwide make some noise against this shit with guns and mental health and press politicians to make changes via inaction during emergencies. this is absolutely fucking unacceptable and they should not ever fear additional life threatening forces while risking their lives and addressing crises

so fucking tired of psychos parading around their love of guns alongside their hatred. your god isn't fuckin real, your guns are not a "god given right"

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

your god isn’t fuckin real, your guns are not a “god given right”

Jesus would be going temple pharisee rampage and shoving their guns up their asses

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

We need your particular set of skills to kidnap and possibly deflate a giant orange balloon that people keep pretending is human.

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 22 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Those MAGA Republicans look like DEMOCRATS!

[–] III@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

Don't believe you lying eyes!

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 31 points 16 hours ago
[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

These people are victims of targeted propaganda.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

These people are willing consumers of targeted propaganda.

Ftfy

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

By "propaganda" I mean lies and manipulation. By definition you can't consent to that.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

I think they probably have a dull little voice in the back of their head that they do their best to starve and keep locked in a little prison cell that tells them they shouldn't believe what they're seeing/hearing, and they ignore the voice and keep consuming Faux News etc.

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