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… [Raymond Mattia] spent the entirety of his life in Menagers Dam, a remote Tohono O’odham village situated directly on the border, where he was an active member of the community, artist, and avid hunter. In June, Customs and Border Protection, the Border Patrol’s parent agency, released body camera footage of his final moments there, compiled in a 28-minute edited video.

Shortly before he was killed, Mattia had exchanged a series of text messages with his sister, reporting that three men — presumed border crossers — had been in his home demanding to use his phone. The confrontation was apparently tense, with Mattia grabbing his hunting knife to run the men off. Mattia told his sister he called authorities to report the incident.

Soon after the exchange, a convoy of law enforcement vehicles rolled into the village. According to CBP, Border Patrol agents were responding to a call for back-up from Tohono O’odham police, who had received a report of shots fired in the area. No names or addresses were given, and the origin of the purported shots was unclear.

The team met in the dark at a recreation center. The Border Patrol agents wore tactical gear and carried rifles. “It’s going to be a little bit of a guessing game trying to find it,” a Tohono O’odham police officer said of their target, according to the body camera footage. “I don’t know exactly where that motherfucker’s at.”

The tribal officer led the agents to Mattia’s home. Mattia stepped out in the dark to greet them. He was ordered to step forward and show his hands. As Mattia complied with the commands, law enforcement officials mistook a cellphone in his hand for a gun. Initial reports indicated as many as 38 rounds were fired. A medical examiner’s report, ruling the case a homicide, said Mattia was shot nine times. The body camera footage indicated that roughly 31 seconds passed from the moment Mattia received his first command to the moment the first shot was fired. …

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[-] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago

It seems like calling the police is kind of a Mendoza's Molotov Cocktail solution:

If you have a problem, just call the police. Then you have a completely different problem.

[-] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 57 points 1 year ago

So, if he HAD a gun in his hands, what would've been the correct procedure for him to not get shot? Kinda feels like no matter what, US cops shoot you for anything.

[-] TheJims@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

The correct procedure is be white.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 32 points 1 year ago

Yep. The right always talks about the "right to bear arms" but if possession of a firearm is a death sentence by the state, you don't possess that right.

[-] Techmaster@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

That's like when the cops show up and violate a bunch of your civil rights because they heard that you have a gun.

[-] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Folks remember CBP had enhanced powers within 100 miles of any international border. I believe it is an open question as to where or not this applies to international airport.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception

[-] Followupquestion@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

It also applies to any oceanic coastline, IIRC. So if you live within 100 miles of an ocean, border, or airport (more than 85% of the US if memory serves) CBP has all sorts of “enhanced” powers apply.

[-] hiddengoat@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago

Border Patrol, in my experience having spent considerable amounts of my youth around the Texas/Mexico border, tends to fall into two categories. Those that give zero fucks about anything because they know it's all racist/jingoist bullshit anyway so why WOULDN'T they just take the cartel's money and let them through, and those that signed up so they could have an excuse to beat up some Mexicans and also take the cartel's money and let them through. There really didn't seem to be any other subgroup. Just apathy and assholery, the classic tag team.

Also, fun fact, if you're Border Patrol in Texas you can basically just murder anyone across the border you want and there's no aspect of the law that makes you legally responsible. The US won't extradite you to Mexico, just claim it was "self defense" and the US won't prosecute you, and also the State of Texas will protect you from any civil charged filed against you.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/supreme-court-hear-case-mexican-teenager-killed-cross/story?id=45621119

The SC told Hernandez's family to eet fuk, as you would expect.

[-] bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Shooting an unarmed civilian on the other side of a border sounds like an act of war.

I wonder if the Hauge would do anything about it.

[-] DougHolland@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

It happens so often I can't even remember the first reports that first made my jaw drop, but it's been a long time and nobody's heard anything from the Hague.

[-] bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

It happens so often

🥲

[-] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago
[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I'm told I don't need a gun and that I should just call the police if faced with violence. I'll take my chances without 'em, thanks much.

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